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Adding video to channels (Terrible) - requested by MrFisk.

Freedom of speech is the primary thread that the Bill of Rights, and thus, the U.S. Constitution dangles from. However, it is not absolute - e.g., I cannot yell "fire" in a crowded theater.
Now, I hold free speech especially dear to my reasoning. I believe that John Milton's Areopagitica is essential - i.e., "Let [Truth] and Falsehood grapple." (That is the key to explaining my Glenn Beck submissions.)
And don't get me wrong, I'm all for drawing Muhammad, but I downvote this because this guy is a moron and I don't think that you should blame an entire religion for something a handful of douche bags espouse. The real shame is that these handful of douche bags has been given such a loud voice by the media that it quivers others into submission.

[edit]: If Freedom of Speech is the thumb, and laws expressly prohibiting religion, press, assembly, and petition are the other four fingers on the hand which makes the Bill of Rights--why was religion guaranteed first and foremost?

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I blame them all. If they want to be a religion of peace, they have to speak out against the violence. As long as they just go along with it, they are not much better themselves. I spit in their direction.

>> ^MrFisk:

Freedom of speech is the primary thread that the Bill of Rights, and thus, the U.S. Constitution dangles from. However, it is not absolute - e.g., I cannot yell "fire" in a crowded theater.
Now, I hold free speech especially dear to my reasoning. I believe that John Milton's Areopagitica is essential - i.e., "Let [Truth] and Falsehood grapple." (That is the key to explain my Glenn Beck submissions.)
And don't get me wrong, I'm all for drawing Muhammad, but I downvote this because this guy is a moron and don't think that you should blame an entire religion for something a handful of douche bags espouse. The real shame is that these handful of douche bags has been given such a loud voice by the media it quivers others into submission.

>> ^MrFisk:

Freedom of speech is the primary thread that the Bill of Rights, and thus, the U.S. Constitution dangles from. However, it is not absolute - e.g., I cannot yell "fire" in a crowded theater.
Now, I hold free speech especially dear to my reasoning. I believe that John Milton's Areopagitica is essential - i.e., "Let [Truth] and Falsehood grapple." (That is the key to explain my Glenn Beck submissions.)
And don't get me wrong, I'm all for drawing Muhammad, but I downvote this because this guy is a moron and don't think that you should blame an entire religion for something a handful of douche bags espouse. The real shame is that these handful of douche bags has been given such a loud voice by the media it quivers others into submission.

If moderate Muslims exist (the ones critical of Muslim irrationality), then they are doing as good a job of hiding as moderate Christians did in the 14th Century. And for similar reasons. Because of this, yes, it is fair to blame the entire religion, which can be described as a religion of conquest like no other before it.

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"Does any other religion even carry signs like this?"

I guess he has not seen FalwellPhelps' "God Hates Fags", and the more violent/threatening variations thereof. Not that I think this particularly damages the case that he would make (and I'd tend to agree -- I'd just say that FalwellPhelps' Christians have no place in Western society either).


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Replace Falwell (Jerry) with Phelps (Fred). I was typing quickly and got my militant far-right-wing christian leaders mixed up! Although, to cut myself some slack, some similarly intolerant / violent / wrathful statements have originated from Falwell also...

90% seems just a tiny, tiny bit high.

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@demon_ix it's impossible to do ascii really well with this font.

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Promoting this video back to the front page; last published Tuesday, May 11th, 2010 1:22pm PDT - promote requested by lavoll.

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"How many other religions have angry mobs chanting for the blood of countries, or the bombing of civilians?"

At least one... Fundamental Christians in the US. Is the Tea Party a religion yet?

Did like that cartoon he showed at the end

^ ^ ^ You guys freakin rule. Just wanted to say.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'cartoon, muhammed, Thunderf00t, South Park, religion, islam, free speech' to 'cartoon, muhammed, mohammed, Thunderf00t, South Park, religion, islam, free speech' - edited by calvados

I mock Jesus, so what the hell, why not?


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In the spirit of peace and love between two religions here's Mohammad going down on Jesus as they fly through the sky.

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Double-Promoting this video back to the front page; last published Wednesday, May 12th, 2010 9:02am PDT - doublepromote requested by gwiz665.

Oh come on show me one major media network that has ever been willing to put on the air a moderate muslim voice like Hamza Yusuf.

>> ^gwiz665:

I blame them all. If they want to be a religion of peace, they have to speak out against the violence. As long as they just go along with it, they are not much better themselves. I spit in their direction.
>> ^MrFisk:
Freedom of speech is the primary thread that the Bill of Rights, and thus, the U.S. Constitution dangles from. However, it is not absolute - e.g., I cannot yell "fire" in a crowded theater.
Now, I hold free speech especially dear to my reasoning. I believe that John Milton's Areopagitica is essential - i.e., "Let [Truth] and Falsehood grapple." (That is the key to explain my Glenn Beck submissions.)
And don't get me wrong, I'm all for drawing Muhammad, but I downvote this because this guy is a moron and don't think that you should blame an entire religion for something a handful of douche bags espouse. The real shame is that these handful of douche bags has been given such a loud voice by the media it quivers others into submission.

Draw Muhammad day is dead. You're all a bunch of cowards.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/04/creators-of-everybody-draw-muhammad-day-abandon-effort-after-it-becomes-controversial.html

Post some drawings of Muhammad on your facebook pages where actual muslims might see them if you want to draw attention to the infringements on our freedom of expression.

>> ^Matthu:

Draw Muhammad day is dead. You're all a bunch of cowards.
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ttp://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/04/creators-of-everybody-draw-muhammad-day-abandon-effort-after-it-becomes-controversial.html
Post some drawings of Muhammad on your facebook pages where actual muslims might see them if you want to draw attention to the infringements on our freedom of expression.


Hmmm sounds like a threat... are you telling me that I should post on my facebook account so that people will kill me for doing so?

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== Muhammed.

I'd like to see that, god yes. Major networks want to spark the controversy even more, it's good news, gives good ratings. I'd like to see muslims unite against muslim hatred, on the inter-web for instance. There's not censorship here other than what we make ourselves (and china and so on), but there's far less censorship than on any network.

Every muslim who says "oh that's only the fundamentalists, most of us aren't like that, so I'm just going to stay muslim and mind my own business" is in essence undermining the effort to destroy the fundamentalists and their stupid beliefs. Why don't they make "neo-islam" a thing akin to protestants breaking off from the crazier outliers of their religion, so we know more clearly who to hat and who not to? That would be a good start.

I'm speaking out against islam, christianity, mormonism etc. because I cannot just stand by while we devolve into the dark ages again. Why can't more people just voice their disdain, dislike, disgust or whatever they have for the fundamentalists, who more than anything else sullies their religion, their persons, their families?? Why aren't they OUTRAGED!?>> ^Farhad2000:

Oh come on show me one major media network that has ever been willing to put on the air a moderate muslim voice like Hamza Yusuf.
>> ^gwiz665:
I blame them all. If they want to be a religion of peace, they have to speak out against the violence. As long as they just go along with it, they are not much better themselves. I spit in their direction.
>> ^MrFisk:
Freedom of speech is the primary thread that the Bill of Rights, and thus, the U.S. Constitution dangles from. However, it is not absolute - e.g., I cannot yell "fire" in a crowded theater.
Now, I hold free speech especially dear to my reasoning. I believe that John Milton's Areopagitica is essential - i.e., "Let [Truth] and Falsehood grapple." (That is the key to explain my Glenn Beck submissions.)
And don't get me wrong, I'm all for drawing Muhammad, but I downvote this because this guy is a moron and don't think that you should blame an entire religion for something a handful of douche bags espouse. The real shame is that these handful of douche bags has been given such a loud voice by the media it quivers others into submission.

Draw Mohammad day lives! And how does a drawing infringe on your freedom of expression? You're welcome to make your own drawing, poem, speech,etc.From your comment I get the impression you only want people to say and express what you want to hear.>> ^Matthu:

Draw Muhammad day is dead. You're all a bunch of cowards.
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ttp://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/04/creators-of-everybody-draw-muhammad-day-abandon-effort-after-it-becomes-controversial.html
Post some drawings of Muhammad on your facebook pages where actual muslims might see them if you want to draw attention to the infringements on our freedom of expression.

wut

how could you people misunderstand what i was saying. i was tired maybe wasn't clear.

im saying quit posting drawings of Muhammad where it doesn't matter(here). post it where it might actually get some attention.

c'mon.. freedom of expression is AT LEAST as important as bra colors.

@Matthu Anyone who sees it as an infringement on their expression to hear an alternative view is a perfect case of a religious fundamentalist.

>> ^Matthu:

Draw Muhammad day is dead. You're all a bunch of cowards.
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ttp://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/04/creators-of-everybody-draw-muhammad-day-abandon-effort-after-it-becomes-controversial.html
Post some drawings of Muhammad on your facebook pages where actual muslims might see them if you want to draw attention to the infringements on our freedom of expression.


Hmmm, did you read the article you posted? The way I understand it, the original cartoonist who came up with the idea never had anything to do with the facebook pages. Now one of the facebook pages has closed down as per the article, but the one associate with this video still exists and is going strong.

My only complaint about it is that it does seem to be attracting a lot of the insane tea-bagger types who bring hate to the table rather than the send-off of silly religious mumbo-jumbo.

Alas, I doubt you'll really understand the difference because you are just like any religious radical that confronts difference of ideas with violence.


Let me just remind you that your faith is very very weak. I know this because you are threatened by cartoons and what random people say on the internet.

Lets draw wherever we want.

>> ^Matthu:

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how could you people misunderstand what i was saying. i was tired maybe wasn't clear.
im saying quit posting drawings of Muhammad where it doesn't matter(here). post it where it might actually get some attention.
c'mon.. freedom of expression is AT LEAST as important as bra colors.


No, I think we understood pretty well. You called people who posted here cowards, therefore implying that they should post somewhere where their personal information might become available to nut-jobs.

Did I misunderstand?

I think you're taking it a lil' too far. Like I don't watch major networks and I didn't hear about this whole drawing muhammed thing like ever before. Bar the original BBC/CNN debacle a couple of years back which did happen during a slow news day. I think most of this is manufactured totally and gives some free publicity to some small sector of nutters.

Like this past year some group announced some plans to hold a rally carrying caskets of dead muslims around the city in the UK where almost all UK troops killed in Afghanistan are carried through.

What followed was NATIONWIDE coverage and outrage from all sectors of the public from MPs to the SUN to the fucking mail about how fucking horrible and insensitive it was and what not.

The rally never happened, it was just announced and PRed into the mainstream media and made the group who wanted to hold it national news they had the head guy up on telly chatting shit. Their representantive actually said that they did this for Pr and the media bought and spewed it back to the masses.

Its just like those pictures of muslims in the UK with signs that read SHARIA is GOOD for UK, all zoomed in with cops around made to look like there are hundreds of people pull back and theres like 12 of them...

Its just yellow journalism of another sort.

>> ^gwiz665:

I'd like to see that, god yes. Major networks want to spark the controversy even more, it's good news, gives good ratings. I'd like to see muslims unite against muslim hatred, on the inter-web for instance. There's not censorship here other than what we make ourselves (and china and so on), but there's far less censorship than on any network.
Every muslim who says "oh that's only the fundamentalists, most of us aren't like that, so I'm just going to stay muslim and mind my own business" is in essence undermining the effort to destroy the fundamentalists and their stupid beliefs. Why don't they make "neo-islam" a thing akin to protestants breaking off from the crazier outliers of their religion, so we know more clearly who to hat and who not to? That would be a good start.
I'm speaking out against islam, christianity, mormonism etc. because I cannot just stand by while we devolve into the dark ages again. Why can't more people just voice their disdain, dislike, disgust or whatever they have for the fundamentalists, who more than anything else sullies their religion, their persons, their families?? Why aren't they OUTRAGED!?>> ^Farhad2000:
Oh come on show me one major media network that has ever been willing to put on the air a moderate muslim voice like Hamza Yusuf.
>> ^gwiz665:
I blame them all. If they want to be a religion of peace, they have to speak out against the violence. As long as they just go along with it, they are not much better themselves. I spit in their direction.
>> ^MrFisk:
Freedom of speech is the primary thread that the Bill of Rights, and thus, the U.S. Constitution dangles from. However, it is not absolute - e.g., I cannot yell "fire" in a crowded theater.
Now, I hold free speech especially dear to my reasoning. I believe that John Milton's Areopagitica is essential - i.e., "Let [Truth] and Falsehood grapple." (That is the key to explain my Glenn Beck submissions.)
And don't get me wrong, I'm all for drawing Muhammad, but I downvote this because this guy is a moron and don't think that you should blame an entire religion for something a handful of douche bags espouse. The real shame is that these handful of douche bags has been given such a loud voice by the media it quivers others into submission.

>> ^geo321:

Lets draw wherever we want.

NO! YOU HAVE TO DRAW MUHAMMAD TO SHOW YOUR FREEDOM OF THOUGHT! YOU HAVE TO!

If you're offended by someone drawing muhammed, don't move to a country with freedom of speech.

This sounds like a job for 4chan!

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>> ^Matthu:
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how could you people misunderstand what i was saying. i was tired maybe wasn't clear.
im saying quit posting drawings of Muhammad where it doesn't matter(here). post it where it might actually get some attention.
c'mon.. freedom of expression is AT LEAST as important as bra colors.

No, I think we understood pretty well. You called people who posted here cowards, therefore implying that they should post somewhere where their personal information might become available to nut-jobs.
Did I misunderstand?


Correct.

Are you saying that if nut-jobs can find you, and are willing to kill you based on their beliefs. you should live according to their beliefs?

Are you saying that we should enjoy our freedom of expression unless a crazy person who can find where we live threatens us?

I think the sad reality is that more people will have to stand up against these islamic teachings, and some of them will die, before we can put it to bed and go on enjoying our freedom of speech.

Have I drawn Muhammad on my facebook page? Not yet, but Draw Muhammad day hasn't come yet. I did share the video on my wall. We'll see come DMD day if I've got the balls.

Do you have the balls? If not, where are you going to draw muhammad? I don't think many islamic fundamentalists visit 4chan.