If a "feminist" isn't for decriminalizing prostitution it's all a silly act.

Chappelle said it best.

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My kind of place.

Sometimes there is a conflation of the idea of provocation and responsibility. I am thinking the police officer was saying it in terms of practical thinking not that if you dress like a slut you are partially responsible. That said, what these women are trying to do is to change the social norm concerning rape. Not sure if this is the most direct way of going about it.

Yeah, I'm with Chapelle on this one I'm afraid.

Yes, it should go without saying that you shouldn't do anything against a woman's wishes. But this is getting a little bit ridiculous. Women are starting to say that they can lead men on as much as they like and then are astounded that some douchebag takes their flirtatiousness as it is kind of being intended, which is to turn guys on.

Yeah, yeah, free will. Yeah, yeah, freedom of expression and sexuality... but for fuck's sake how can you expect it not to have an effect on men, especially if you are in a place (say, a bar) where men are drunk... and looking for action? You're going into the lion's den and bloody poking them with sticks, and then being shocked when you're bitten.

It never justifies the act of the man, but it also asks why the fuck did you feel the need to provoke so much?

In other news.... 20% of protesters attending this rally were raped on their way home.

You know what else used to be provocative? An African-American walking through a "white" neighborhood.

I don't give a shit how anyone dresses, nobody has the right to do anything to anyone regardless of how they look or are perceived. Nobody is ever asking for it.

>> ^CrushBug:

You know what else used to be provocative? An African-American walking through a "white" neighborhood.
I don't give a shit how anyone dresses, nobody has the right to do anything to anyone regardless of how they look or are perceived. Nobody is ever asking for it.


Valid point...there are still people who would say it's the African-Americans fault for walking through that neighborhood. Or saying that the Jews knew what was going to happen and should've left Germany and Poland before things got really bad.

I'm not really sure what to say about those arguments because I know if I was black...or jewish I would be very wary and mad at myself for risking it. However I find it very very difficult to justify criticizing others for lack of forethought about something which should never happen in the first place. I don't know I buy insurance but I don't kill myself because I know one day I will die.

It's complicated...I do know though anyone who "has the answer" doesn't and should just shut up.

I think what the cop said could have been in much better taste(IE not calling woman who dress scantily sluts). But honestly what he said was true.

I'm not saying a woman should get raped if she walks around naked, it's her choice and I'd be fine with that. But it's like me walking around with money sticking out of my pocket thinking people aren't going to mug me, it's just not realistic.

If you dress very scandalously you will attract more attention, some of it positive and some of it negative. It just takes one creep from the negative attention part to hurt you.

>> ^CrushBug:

You know what else used to be provocative? An African-American walking through a "white" neighborhood.
I don't give a shit how anyone dresses, nobody has the right to do anything to anyone regardless of how they look or are perceived. Nobody is ever asking for it.


Did you actually read my comment before downvoting? And using your analogy is just completely wrong. Racism, bigotry etc. are all learned behaviours, and are wrong. Treating a woman without respect is also wrong. However having a sexual drive is not wrong, finding a woman sexually attractive based on her displaying her body provocatively is not right or wrong, it's just nature at work, animal instinct. Acting on that feeling by sexually abusing the woman is wrong in so many ways, but I don't get how women can think that pushing up their tits, exposing their butt etc. is doing anything but attracting up the wrong sort of guys. I'm pretty sure it's not attracting the 'right' sort, that's for sure.

Sure they can dress slutty all they want, and they sure as hell shouldn't be abused for it, but I don't think they're going to find a fulfilling relationship either.

Haha - check out the guy at 1:10 chewing his lip, desperately thinking "shit, if I can't score here...".

Yes if women would just wear burkas all the men wouldn't be raping them. It's their own fault for showing their bare hair, what did they expect? .

I wouldn't want my sister sashaying around like that and I sure as hell wouldn't want her looking like that by herself, Downtown TO. That's just stupid.

Whats more, Its unsettling that you see so many little girls living up to this image, wearing clothes that're completely distasteful for their age.

@ 2:10 is the building I work at

I'm all for women dressing sexy. As a man, I enjoy that.

But I swear to God that if my daughter ever dressed that way I would hurt people.

>> ^spoco2:

>> ^CrushBug:
You know what else used to be provocative? An African-American walking through a "white" neighborhood.
I don't give a shit how anyone dresses, nobody has the right to do anything to anyone regardless of how they look or are perceived. Nobody is ever asking for it.

Did you actually read my comment before downvoting? And using your analogy is just completely wrong. Racism, bigotry etc. are all learned behaviours, and are wrong. Treating a woman without respect is also wrong. However having a sexual drive is not wrong, finding a woman sexually attractive based on her displaying her body provocatively is not right or wrong, it's just nature at work, animal instinct. Acting on that feeling by sexually abusing the woman is wrong in so many ways, but I don't get how women can think that pushing up their tits, exposing their butt etc. is doing anything but attracting up the wrong sort of guys. I'm pretty sure it's not attracting the 'right' sort, that's for sure.
Sure they can dress slutty all they want, and they sure as hell shouldn't be abused for it, but I don't think they're going to find a fulfilling relationship either.


WHOA Whoa who says Racism and Bigotry is a learned behavior? We don't know enough about the human brain to make that determination and I would argue that a negative response to animals that look different from you might be something we always had. It certainly makes evolutionary sense.

Nah sorry you simply don't have the credentials to make that sort of claim.

Isn't this just like, if you don't want to get robbed, stop flashing your gold watch and wallet around in sketchy neighbourhoods?

>> ^mentality:

Isn't this just like, if you don't want to get robbed, stop flashing your gold watch and wallet around in sketchy neighbourhoods?


No, absolutely positively nothing like that. I would go further with my thoughts, but they are only name calling.

Have a better day.

>> ^BoneRemake:

>> ^mentality:
Isn't this just like, if you don't want to get robbed, stop flashing your gold watch and wallet around in sketchy neighbourhoods?

No, absolutely positively nothing like that. I would go further with my thoughts, but they are only name calling.
Have a better day.


No, rape is not like armed robbery. It's much worse. The point that you're obviously missing is, don't tempt the criminals.

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>> ^mentality:

>> ^BoneRemake:
>> ^mentality:
Isn't this just like, if you don't want to get robbed, stop flashing your gold watch and wallet around in sketchy neighbourhoods?

No, absolutely positively nothing like that. I would go further with my thoughts, but they are only name calling.
Have a better day.

No, rape is not like armed robbery. It's much worse. The point that you're obviously missing is, don't tempt the criminals.


Comparing a woman's Vagina and her personal being and rights, to that of a fuckin gold watch is retarded, that is probably the point YOU failed to comprehend.

>> ^BoneRemake:

>> ^mentality:
>> ^BoneRemake:
>> ^mentality:
Isn't this just like, if you don't want to get robbed, stop flashing your gold watch and wallet around in sketchy neighbourhoods?

No, absolutely positively nothing like that. I would go further with my thoughts, but they are only name calling.
Have a better day.

No, rape is not like armed robbery. It's much worse. The point that you're obviously missing is, don't tempt the criminals.

Comparing a woman's Vagina and her personal being and rights to that of a fuckin gold watch is retarded, that is probably the point YOU failed to comprehend.


I'm not saying HEY A VAGINA IS LIKE A GOLD WATCH LOL THEY ARE BOTH OBJECTS. That's not the fucking point. Are you deliberately being obtuse?

Here I'll spell it out for you again: don't tempt the criminals.

*Edit: And this is exactly what the police officer is saying, except he made the mistake of using the derogatory word slut. What's wrong with you, and the entire Toronto Slutwalk, is that you miss this piece of common sense, and get all worked up over imaginary connotations. NOBODY is saying rape isn't terrible, women don't have rights to their bodies, that women can't dress however they like, that they're "ASKING FOR IT". NOBODY IS FUCKING SAYING THOSE THINGS. The whole point is: There are criminals out there, and there are things you do that put you at greater risk. It's so goddamn obvious I don't even know why we're having this conversation.

What's unsettling is to see that their parents allow it. Even with girls who aren't so little.

In other news, it's completely legal for women to go topless here in Canada, but I'll be damned if I ever see it in action. Perhaps if this event were to take place in the summer...

>> ^Aniatario:

I wouldn't want my sister sashaying around like that and I sure as hell wouldn't want her looking like that by herself, Downtown TO. That's just stupid.
Whats more, Its unsettling that you see so many little girls living up to this image, wearing clothes that're completely distasteful for their age.

I'm going to start wearing a speedo. That'll learn 'em. Nobody wants to see that.

Seriously though, presuming mutual consent, no more bitching when guys fuck you and bail. Just because they looked like the nice guy type doesn't make it so. The guy that creeped you out with the rapist mustache and glasses was probably the guy you were after. Sure, he plays D&D on weekends, and writes software for a living, but he'll treat you right.

More seriously though, you can look good without dressing like a ho. Classy guys go for classy dames. Attract whatever you want.

*Quality event with a quality message.

Boosting this quality contribution up in the Hot Listing - declared quality by notarobot.

>> ^Throbbin:

I'm all for women dressing sexy. As a man, I enjoy that.
But I swear to God that if my daughter ever dressed that way I would hurt people.


What, just random people?

>> ^spoco2:

Yeah, I'm with Chapelle on this one I'm afraid.
Yes, it should go without saying that you shouldn't do anything against a woman's wishes. But this is getting a little bit ridiculous. Women are starting to say that they can lead men on as much as they like and then are astounded that some douchebag takes their flirtatiousness as it is kind of being intended, which is to turn guys on.
Yeah, yeah, free will. Yeah, yeah, freedom of expression and sexuality... but for fuck's sake how can you expect it not to have an effect on men, especially if you are in a place (say, a bar) where men are drunk... and looking for action? You're going into the lion's den and bloody poking them with sticks, and then being shocked when you're bitten.
It never justifies the act of the man, but it also asks why the fuck did you feel the need to provoke so much?


Wasn't this the plot of The Accused?

You just wait till she's 18 and brings home someone like me...
>> ^Throbbin:

I'm all for women dressing sexy. As a man, I enjoy that.
But I swear to God that if my daughter ever dressed that way I would hurt people.

And it is here, my son, where you will find the perfect opportunity for practicing the art of groping.

Anyone else notice, "...it's ASSking for trouble..." right as they zoomed in on a female backside at :20?

Everyone envies the ONN.

(Or did I just give you an insight into my psyche?)

The "oversexualized" look is now THE way to dress for little girls if they want to look like their idols Beyonce, Shakira, C.Aguilera, Mrs. Spears and that dame Fergie. Watch mtv for a couple hours and you'll see. This trend has slowly expanded to mid-aged women, making it a new standard, accepted style. Men should get used to it and not take it literally. Usually, women who dress like this don't want to tease you more, but only to look younger.

Don't talk about evolution as obviously, you don't understand THAT. Of course racism and bigotry is learned. Do you think it was imbued in people by 'god' or that it is instinctive? Where are your 'credentials' hmmm?
>> ^Yogi:

>> ^spoco2:
>> ^CrushBug:
You know what else used to be provocative? An African-American walking through a "white" neighborhood.
I don't give a shit how anyone dresses, nobody has the right to do anything to anyone regardless of how they look or are perceived. Nobody is ever asking for it.

Did you actually read my comment before downvoting? And using your analogy is just completely wrong. Racism, bigotry etc. are all learned behaviours, and are wrong. Treating a woman without respect is also wrong. However having a sexual drive is not wrong, finding a woman sexually attractive based on her displaying her body provocatively is not right or wrong, it's just nature at work, animal instinct. Acting on that feeling by sexually abusing the woman is wrong in so many ways, but I don't get how women can think that pushing up their tits, exposing their butt etc. is doing anything but attracting up the wrong sort of guys. I'm pretty sure it's not attracting the 'right' sort, that's for sure.
Sure they can dress slutty all they want, and they sure as hell shouldn't be abused for it, but I don't think they're going to find a fulfilling relationship either.

WHOA Whoa who says Racism and Bigotry is a learned behavior? We don't know enough about the human brain to make that determination and I would argue that a negative response to animals that look different from you might be something we always had. It certainly makes evolutionary sense.
Nah sorry you simply don't have the credentials to make that sort of claim.

>> ^Xax:

In other news, it's completely legal for women to go topless here in Canada, but I'll be damned if I ever see it in action. Perhaps if this event were to take place in the summer... >> ^Aniatario:
I wouldn't want my sister sashaying around like that and I sure as hell wouldn't want her looking like that by herself, Downtown TO. That's just stupid.
Whats more, Its unsettling that you see so many little girls living up to this image, wearing clothes that're completely distasteful for their age.



An event with lots of topless ladies (and 'ladies') does take place here in the summer. It's called Pride.
(warning: you will also see man-junk)

There's the question of what's right and there's the question of what you can do to make yourself safer.

@CrushBug made an insightful comparison to African Americans walking through "white" neighbourhoods. The situation is exactly analogous, and I'd like to take it a bit further by comparing to an African American walking through a "white" area in the early 20th century. There is no question in my mind that no-one has any business doing any harm to them as they pass by. If, however, I was being asked by a naîve person whether it was safe for an African American to pass through some KKK-supporting backwater of Hicksville, USA, without a care in the world, it would be utterly irresponsible for me to tell them it was.

Same thing with any other issue where willingly refraining from doing something you have every right to do can prevent personal harm. The aggressor is always to blame, make no mistake about that, it is simply smart to consider the realities of the society you live in.

Of course, I don't know if dressing in a certain way actually makes a woman more likely to be raped. I'd like to see some statistics on that.

wtf? have you all lost your minds?

1. you can't compare a womans vagina to a wad full of cash. but presuming that you could... just because i flashed my wad full of cash does not make it less wrong or even permissible for someone to steal it. your rights end where mine begin.

2. women don't get raped because they're scantily clad. rape is less about sexual gratification and more about power and control. i was a wild ass teenager and i put myself in a lot of unwholesome situations, i experienced my fair share of unwanted, boundary violating sexual advances. i was also a raging tomboy/baby crusty... my clothing didn't have anything to do with the creeps who wanted/tried/did take advantage, it was ALWAYS about power and superiority and control. ALWAYS about some mental defect that made dudes get off on the ability to overpower.

3. you can't blame anyone for mistaking your flirtation with interest. anyone who does is probably being a bitch. but flirting and be provocative is not "stepping into the lion's den and asking to get bit" and you're not contractually obligated to put out... anyone who thinks that it is does is a defective asshole and possibly predatory and almost certainly has issues with women and their ability to own their sexual power, again.. its about power and dominance and control.

4. i sort of agree with the notion that you attract what you put out there. like i chat it up with a lot of mentally ill/homeless men... so a lot of these guys tend to want to marry me.... when i go dancing at the hip hop club, i dont get offended when i get balls rubbed on my leg or some horny drunk guy wants to take me home.... i just go find a girl to dance with after that.... when i go dancing at the gay bar looking like a big dyke, i dont get pissed off when a lesbian flirts with me... i go bowling a lot, i dont get mad when bowling alley people hit on me.... if you dress and behave in a certain way in a certain place, you're bound to attract someone.. you have no right to be surprised or offended when that happens... it may even be what you're looking for.. ... but it does not negate someone else's responsibility to control themselves and respect your words more than your tits. and anyone who doesn't see that, has issues with women and their sexual power. and rape is, once again, about power and control. it is not about cleavage or temptation.

edit: there is also offensive language... i dont get mad if you thought i was flirting with you and expressed an interest, i do get mad if you don't speak to me with respect. again, its about power and control ooorrr maybe you're a social piarha with no idea how interact with people, either way, you're getting turned down and that doesnt make me a tease. it's your problem.

^Quality post on the subject, could not have put it better.

Peggedbea is completely correct. Also, women are told by society through media to strip down to be attractive, and then blamed (by fucking idiots) when they are raped. Disgusting. I puke in my mouth my I hear my own gender talking like this. It makes me embarrassed for own sex.

Well.. racism could very well have an evolutionary basis. It could have served man-kind well earlier in our development well to keep in separate races/castes/groups/tribes and to demonize the other tribes, since we were in direct competition with them for food.

When you think of it that, then not being racist (a-racism?) is really the thing being learned in todays society and people who are racist have just not learned the value of not being a racist.

It could be a more basic thing that has an evolutionary basis, like fear of things that are different, which can evolve to "black/yellow/white/people are different, I hate them" or other bigotries.

I have no credentials for this, but so far no one else in here have any either, I'd wager, so I'm just making an observation.
>> ^schlub:

Don't talk about evolution as obviously, you don't understand THAT. Of course racism and bigotry is learned. Do you think it was imbued in people by 'god' or that it is instinctive? Where are your 'credentials' hmmm?
>> ^Yogi:
>> ^spoco2:
>> ^CrushBug:
You know what else used to be provocative? An African-American walking through a "white" neighborhood.
I don't give a shit how anyone dresses, nobody has the right to do anything to anyone regardless of how they look or are perceived. Nobody is ever asking for it.

Did you actually read my comment before downvoting? And using your analogy is just completely wrong. Racism, bigotry etc. are all learned behaviours, and are wrong. Treating a woman without respect is also wrong. However having a sexual drive is not wrong, finding a woman sexually attractive based on her displaying her body provocatively is not right or wrong, it's just nature at work, animal instinct. Acting on that feeling by sexually abusing the woman is wrong in so many ways, but I don't get how women can think that pushing up their tits, exposing their butt etc. is doing anything but attracting up the wrong sort of guys. I'm pretty sure it's not attracting the 'right' sort, that's for sure.
Sure they can dress slutty all they want, and they sure as hell shouldn't be abused for it, but I don't think they're going to find a fulfilling relationship either.

WHOA Whoa who says Racism and Bigotry is a learned behavior? We don't know enough about the human brain to make that determination and I would argue that a negative response to animals that look different from you might be something we always had. It certainly makes evolutionary sense.
Nah sorry you simply don't have the credentials to make that sort of claim.

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