Biden Slams Romney, Ryan For "47 Percent" Video

Joe Biden asks Paul Ryan and the Republican party to take a little personal responsibility for being whores for the 1%.

10/12/2012
deedub81jokingly says...

Question: The reason why there are WAY more liberal biased videos on videosift is.....

A) ...that there are simply more liberals than conservatives in the US.
B) ...that Romney was right about the 47% and they spend fewer hours actually working and contributing to society, therefore, they're online more often.

PostalBlowfishjokingly says...

No one ever slacks at work and no one uses computers connected to the internet at their jobs, so it must be all the bums of America tapping out the liberal interwebs posts on garbage can lids. Liberal Bums: dismantling the freedom liberty capitalism armsweapons of the Christianified Americanifications at the speed of sound since 33 AD.

NetRunnersays...

You forgot this possibility:

C) Anything that doesn't come from within the cult of conservatism is branded "liberal" by the cultists, so whenever they leave the compound and walk out into the real world, they feel like there's some sort of massive conspiracy to make them question their faith...

>> ^deedub81:

Question: The reason why there are WAY more liberal biased videos on videosift is.....
A) ...that there are simply more liberals than conservatives in the US.
B) ...that Romney was right about the 47% and they spend fewer hours actually working and contributing to society, therefore, they're online more often.

deedub81says...

What does conservatism have to do with faith?>> ^NetRunner:

You forgot this possibility:
C) Anything that doesn't come from within the cult of conservatism is branded "liberal" by the cultists, so whenever they leave the compound and walk out into the real world, they feel like there's some sort of massive conspiracy to make them question their faith...
>> ^deedub81:
Question: The reason why there are WAY more liberal biased videos on videosift is.....
A) ...that there are simply more liberals than conservatives in the US.
B) ...that Romney was right about the 47% and they spend fewer hours actually working and contributing to society, therefore, they're online more often.


gwiz665says...

Reality has a liberal bias. It's a well-known internet fact, since Abraham Lincoln first wrote it on usenet in misc.facts.
>> ^deedub81:

Question: The reason why there are WAY more liberal biased videos on videosift is.....
A) ...that there are simply more liberals than conservatives in the US.
B) ...that Romney was right about the 47% and they spend fewer hours actually working and contributing to society, therefore, they're online more often.

NetRunnersays...

Oh, I agree, they're not completely uniform, but most of the time it's just a difference in intensity, rather than some substantively unique outlook on the world.

In the narrow scope of my earlier comment, I was defining conservative as believing in one or more of the fairytales the social group known as "conservatives" like to tell themselves. You espoused two:


  1. That "liberal bias" exists.
  2. That liberals are lazy lieabouts who don't work for a living.

Do you claim that those are based on some sort of factual evidence, and would hold up to a skeptical review?
>> ^deedub81:

I like to think that everyone's political opinions are at least slightly different. I'd love for you to tell me what you think conservative beliefs are. You seem to be pretty sure of yourself.
This is me: http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=2.50&a
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MonkeySpanksays...

I believe I am entitled to an opinion, so I'll share mine:
People call me a democrat, a republican, and a libertarian. I don't subscribe to any. I don't like democrats for regulating the economy and attacking gun control; I don't like republicans for violating personal rights (women) and drug wars, and I don't like libertarians for their ideological castration of government services. My ideal federal government is one that protects your human rights, educates you when you are young, and takes care of you when you are old or sick. I would gladly pay my taxes for these three key points. Everything else should rest with the states.

>> ^deedub81:

I like to think that everyone's political opinions are at least slightly different. I'd love for you to tell me what you think conservative beliefs are. You seem to be pretty sure of yourself.
This is me: http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=2.50&a
mp;soc=-4.41
>> ^NetRunner:
You think conservatism isn't a religion? What is it, then?
>> ^deedub81:
What does conservatism have to do with faith?



quantumushroomsays...

taxocrats protect the middle class the same way the mafia "protects" businesses.

Team Obama passed Obamacare, which has a whole slew of brand new taxes slamming the very middle class Biden and Friends swear to protect.

Also, the Great Interrupter voted for the same two 'credit card' wars he accused Ryan of voting for.

Biden was right about one thing: FACTS MATTER.

KnivesOutsays...

Keep jacking off that dead horse, he'll come around soon enough.>> ^quantumushroom:

taxocrats protect the middle class the same way the mafia "protects" businesses.
Team Obama passed Obamacare, which has a whole slew of brand new taxes slamming the very middle class Biden and Friends swear to protect.
Also, the Great Interrupter voted for the same two 'credit card' wars he accused Ryan of voting for.
Biden was right about one thing: FACTS MATTER.

shinyblurrysays...

I think the major revelation of this debate is that civility in our national discourse is officially dead. The troubling part is not that this manic performance is what is substituting for a substantive discussion of the issues, but that many people didn't notice the difference.

KnivesOutsays...

To sum up:
Biden interrupts to correct lies: bad.
Romney interrupts to lie: good.>> ^shinyblurry:

I think the major revelation of this debate is that civility in our national discourse is officially dead. The troubling part is not that this manic performance is what is substituting for a substantive discussion of the issues, but that many people didn't notice the difference.

cosmovitellisays...

Shiny and QM face facts: you're both too smart to stick with these evasive, ideologically motivated destroyers for much longer.

Sadly, the actual, mediocre, boring effort to do things as well as possible is all there is for us.. No amazing plan, no secret trick to simultaneously give & keep trillions, no 'wealth creators'..

Just a big pile of flawed people, some of whom are trying to make the world more relaxed, open and productive.

And some are solipsists who want OUT in any way they can imagine it might be possible - extreme wealth, private land, preferential treatment by the supernatural, sexual conquest, fame, power over others..
..or all of the above and then still desperately hurting defenseless hungry uncared-for children to acquire ANOTHER billion.. (and then trying to flee further from the anger and the pain they have unthinkingly perpetuated..)

Ryan and Romney are taking fuck you to the next level.

shinyblurrysays...

>> ^cosmovitelli:

Shiny and QM face facts: you're both too smart to stick with these evasive, ideologically motivated destroyers for much longer.
Sadly, the actual, mediocre, boring effort to do things as well as possible is all there is for us.. No amazing plan, no secret trick to simultaneously give & keep trillions, no 'wealth creators'..
Just a big pile of flawed people, some of whom are trying to make the world more relaxed, open and productive.
And some are solipsists who want OUT in any way they can imagine it might be possible - extreme wealth, private land, preferential treatment by the supernatural, sexual conquest, fame, power over others..
..or all of the above and then still desperately hurting defenseless hungry uncared-for children to acquire ANOTHER billion.. (and then trying to flee further from the anger and the pain they have unthinkingly perpetuated..)
Ryan and Romney are taking fuck you to the next level.


I'm not on board for the Romney/Ryan ticket. I'm not a republican because they don't care about the poor and a few other reasons. I'm not a democrat because it is the party of secular humanism. I cannot in good conscience vote for either candidate this election.

KnivesOutsays...

Biden never called Ryan a liar, I did. He corrected his lies. There is such a thing as demonstrably untrue things. I know you have a hard time understanding that, considering the delusions that you live under, but take it from me, there are facts, and unfacts.

This isn't some magical bullshit that Biden was inspired to believe by his imaginary friend. There are things that Ryan said that have been repeatedly proven, by various parties, to be false. Biden was just the one dispute his lies on national television.>> ^shinyblurry:

One politician calling another a liar: hilarious.
>> ^KnivesOut:
To sum up:
Biden interrupts to correct lies: bad.
Romney interrupts to lie: good.


shinyblurrysays...

Biden never called Ryan a liar, I did. He corrected his lies.

Both campaigns have accused each other of lying and both have told lies. Biden lied many times in the debate; for instance he accused Ryan of putting two wars on a credit card, while asserting that he voted against them for the sake of fiscal responsibility. He made this a big moment in the debate, but it turns out it was a bald faced lie; in fact he voted for both wars. He lied on other topics and mischaracterized Governor Romneys position many times.

There is such a thing as demonstrably untrue things. I know you have a hard time understanding that, considering the delusions that you live under, but take it from me, there are facts, and unfacts. This isn't some magical bullshit that Biden was inspired to believe by his imaginary friend.

Your use of abusive ad hominems as a form of argumentation shows you don't understand simple logic. Yes, there are facts, such as that you have no evidence for your presupposition of atheistic naturalism.

There are things that Ryan said that have been repeatedly proven, by various parties, to be false. Biden was just the one dispute his lies on national television.

They're all liars and it's pretty shocking that you don't realize that.

>> ^KnivesOut:
stuff

deedub81says...

#1 is true "on videosift" as I asserted. I stand behind that statement. Nothing wrong with it, just the way it is. Do you disagree?

#2 The reason why this stereotype exists is because lower-income voters (those with a household income of fewer than $30,000 per year) lean HEAVILY to the left and favor the democrat party by a margin of 17 points.

My original comment was completely tongue-in-cheek, playing on the stereotypes about a liberal bias and lazy welfare loafers but you looked right past it and accused me of being shortsighted myself. You obviously don't have a sense of humor when it comes to politics. I'll be more careful in the future.
>> ^NetRunner:

Oh, I agree, they're not completely uniform, but most of the time it's just a difference in intensity, rather than some substantively unique outlook on the world.
In the narrow scope of my earlier comment, I was defining conservative as believing in one or more of the fairytales the social group known as "conservatives" like to tell themselves. You espoused two:


  1. That "liberal bias" exists.
  2. That liberals are lazy lieabouts who don't work for a living.

Do you claim that those are based on some sort of factual evidence, and would hold up to a skeptical review?
>> ^deedub81:
I like to think that everyone's political opinions are at least slightly different. I'd love for you to tell me what you think conservative beliefs are. You seem to be pretty sure of yourself.
This is me: http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=2.50&a

mp;soc=-4.41


NetRunnersays...

I disagree with the entire conception of a liberal "bias". There definitely seem to be more liberal-minded people here, and liberal political videos fare much better than conservative ones, but that doesn't make Videosift "biased", it just means it's a community that's largely populated with liberals.

As far as your response on #2, that's a pretty flimsy justification for trying to assert that the entirety of liberals don't work and are dependent on government, and refuse to take responsibility for their lives.

As far as having a sense of humor, I can most certainly take a joke, but conservatives say this kind of deeply insulting, ridiculously bigoted and prejudicial shit all the time, and then try pass it off as some sort of joke. They seem happy enough to say it without an ounce of mirth when they think they're safely ensconced in a conservatives-only setting.

>> ^deedub81:

#1 is true "on videosift" as I asserted. I stand behind that statement. Nothing wrong with it, just the way it is. Do you disagree?
#2 The reason why this stereotype exists is because lower-income voters (those with a household income of fewer than $30,000 per year) lean HEAVILY to the left and favor the democrat party by a margin of 17 points.
My original comment was completely tongue-in-cheek, playing on the stereotypes about a liberal bias and lazy welfare loafers but you looked right past it and accused me of being shortsighted myself. You obviously don't have a sense of humor when it comes to politics. I'll be more careful in the future.

cosmovitellisays...

>> ^deedub81:

#2 The reason why this stereotype exists is because lower-income voters (those with a household income of fewer than $30,000 per year) lean HEAVILY to the left and favor the democrat party by a margin of 17 points.




Well anyone earning less than $100k a year and voting for Mitt Romney is a turkey voting for Christmas.

And if the Republicans let the insurance lobby get their way with healthcare, then you better make that a $million because there's at least a few non partisan micro organisms out there that'll burn through that and more..

No doubt you'll be prepared to play the odds as a tough, independent Randian Individualist who don't need nothing from no-one, but there's nothing sadder than an unlucky right winger coughing up blood & rationalizations as they wither away in their repossessed home, staring in confusion at Fox News and Mitt's trillion dollar grin announcing another invasion..

volumptuoussays...

"regulating the economy"?

"attacking gun control"?

From what I recall, regulation of our economy has been watered down to the point where we have corporate welfare and the public picks up the tab when things go bust, as they just recently did. Wall Street got off scott-free, was given boatloads of money, while millions were foreclosed on, lost their jobs, healthcare and net worth. I'd like you to point out one negative regulation of the economy that has happened during this Democratic presidency.

As for gun control: What are you on about? Obama is the one who eased gun control laws and concealed carry permits in federal parks. Please name a single gun control law that Obama has "attacked".

>> ^MonkeySpank:

I believe I am entitled to an opinion, so I'll share mine:
People call me a democrat, a republican, and a libertarian. I don't subscribe to any. I don't like democrats for regulating the economy and attacking gun control; I don't like republicans for violating personal rights (women) and drug wars, and I don't like libertarians for their ideological castration of government services. My ideal federal government is one that protects your human rights, educates you when you are young, and takes care of you when you are old or sick. I would gladly pay my taxes for these three key points. Everything else should rest with the states.
>> ^deedub81:
I like to think that everyone's political opinions are at least slightly different. I'd love for you to tell me what you think conservative beliefs are. You seem to be pretty sure of yourself.
This is me: http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=2.50&a

mp;soc=-4.41
>> ^NetRunner:
You think conservatism isn't a religion? What is it, then?
>> ^deedub81:
What does conservatism have to do with faith?




KnivesOutsays...

Sorry, I forgot who I responded to. Go back to your magic story-book, and I'll return to the real world.

The real problem with this country isn't the lies of the politicians, it's the religious nuts who demand it. It's people like you, young earth climate deniers who put idiots like Akin and Broun on the House Science Committee, when neither has the qualifications to enter a grade-school science fair.

The cancer of faith requires that you believe things, that you KNOW things, without proof or evidence.>> ^shinyblurry:

Some random bullshit

KnivesOutsays...

I make more than that, and I still won't vote for him. His 20% accross-the-board tax cut scheme will hit the 100-250k crowd the hardest.>> ^cosmovitelli:

>> ^deedub81:
#2 The reason why this stereotype exists is because lower-income voters (those with a household income of fewer than $30,000 per year) lean HEAVILY to the left and favor the democrat party by a margin of 17 points.


Well anyone earning less than $100k a year and voting for Mitt Romney is a turkey voting for Christmas.
And if the Republicans let the insurance lobby get their way with healthcare, then you better make that a $million because there's at least a few non partisan micro organisms out there that'll burn through that and more..
No doubt you'll be prepared to play the odds as a tough, independent Randian Individualist who don't need nothing from no-one, but there's nothing sadder than an unlucky right winger coughing up blood & rationalizations as they wither away in their repossessed home, staring in confusion at Fox News and Mitt's trillion dollar grin announcing another invasion..

shinyblurrysays...

>> ^KnivesOut:

Sorry, I forgot who I responded to. Go back to your magic story-book, and I'll return to the real world.
The real problem with this country isn't the lies of the politicians, it's the religious nuts who demand it. It's people like you, young earth climate deniers who put idiots like Akin and Broun on the House Science Committee, when neither has the qualifications to enter a grade-school science fair.
The cancer of faith requires that you believe things, that you KNOW things, without proof or evidence.>> ^shinyblurry:
Some random bullshit




You have no ultimate justification for anything you believe. You operate as if you have some kind of ultimate authority to appeal to, something you can point to while telling me that my beliefs lack coherency, yet you're only relying on your own intuitions and assumptions which do not necessarily have any basis in reality. Do you understand the problem of induction and how it relates to your worldview? What proof or evidence do you actually have that any of your beliefs are accurate? Just one piece of evidence will do.

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