Elections are a sham? Two Party System a con job?

Kinda scary when you put it like this.
Skeevesays...

I'm a bit surprised something like this could come out of Fox.

A few things regarding his 'what ifs':

"What if elections don't matter? What if they just provided the populace with meaningless participation in a process that validates an establishment that never meaningfully changes"



This is exactly what Augustus did when he made himself the first emperor of Rome - elections that mean nothing. Many have seen the repeated parallels between the fall of the Roman Republic and what is currently happening in America; is this another parallel?

"What if the widely perceived differences between [the Republican and Democratic Parties] is just an illusion?"



From the perspective of non-Americans, this has been the idea for a long time. The Democratic party is America's left-of-center/liberal party, but when compared to even the conservative parties in other 'western' countries, it is right-wing/conservative. There really is no choice in American politics.

bareboards2says...

I've been saying this for years. Double the length of each term across the board and limit them to one term.

1. Need time to learn the job -- and it is a job
2. Zero time spent campaigning for re-election
3. Zero influence by lobbyists looking to buy their way into legislation
4. Most important -- will reduce the number of bad votes made because of kowtowing to the uninformed electorate. I firmly believe that the vote was so lopsided on the Iraq invasion because the vast majority of Americans wanted it. Those few voices calling for reason were brave souls. I don't believe they were alone in knowing it was wrong -- but some of the others were afraid of their electorate. Many many votes go that way.
5. Ability to recall/impeach if really bad/unethical at it.


>> ^deathcow:

What if we booted them out, every damn one of them. What if the term limit was ONE term until someone made a positive change.

Jinxsays...

The UK is in no better shape really. We have a third party ofc, I voted for them last election. Ended up having the two main parties without a winning majority, so a coalition government was formed...between the conservatives and the liberal democrats. Most lib dem voters feel betrayed, many will vote for the more centrist Labour party over the leftist 3rd Party just to make sure the Conservatives won't get another term and suddenly our system is even more a 2 party system than it was before.

A referendum was held on how the voting should work, ie whether we should stick with the first by the post system. It was a chance for real voting reform, unfortunately it didn't go through. You should have seen the propoganda against it (coming from the 2 main parties ofc).

So from now on I'm going to use my right to vote to foul my paper. If you're frustrated with your political system I suggest you do the same.

MonkeySpanksays...

U.S. should implement "Motion of no confidence" and government should have a delegation body (like a board of directors). One head of state is very much an archaic evolution from monarchy. We kicked George the 3rd and put Washington instead... There are more more headless bodies in the world thanks to the organic nature of the internet; I suspect government will be the same by mid-century.

dannym3141says...

With you on this one brother, we aren't living in a democracy. Politicians are no longer representing the people. They're not even qualified. Our press don't report it because they're owned by the people who are pulling the strings!

If people looked into these things and took time to understand how the world works right now, they'd scare themselves half to death with how deep the conspiracy goes.

Jinxsaid:

The UK is in no better shape really. We have a third party ofc, I voted for them last election. Ended up having the two main parties without a winning majority, so a coalition government was formed...between the conservatives and the liberal democrats. Most lib dem voters feel betrayed, many will vote for the more centrist Labour party over the leftist 3rd Party just to make sure the Conservatives won't get another term and suddenly our system is even more a 2 party system than it was before.

A referendum was held on how the voting should work, ie whether we should stick with the first by the post system. It was a chance for real voting reform, unfortunately it didn't go through. You should have seen the propoganda against it (coming from the 2 main parties ofc).

So from now on I'm going to use my right to vote to foul my paper. If you're frustrated with your political system I suggest you do the same.

articiansays...

I really believe that was Obama's main problem. I hate the guy now for his track-record, but I feel like he was really a naive idealist. I think once an individual becomes president, they're sat down in a little room and told how shit really works, and I think there's such scary shit in there that:
A) it's clear there's nothing they can do to change it
B) if they try to change it there will be a unified front that will effectively smear them
C) if they try to call out the unified front and how things "really work", the unified front will effectively smear them
D) (not likely, but): they're told straight up from the "real authority" in the US that if they have X% of influence on Y# of specific topics, and if they contradict the authoritative interests they'll be outright disposed of.
Don't feel like "D" is realistic, but at this point I wouldn't put anything past the people who've clearly had an iron grip on the US for some time now.

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notarobotsaid:

I wonder if American presidential nominees are ever surprised to discover how little they are actually able to accomplish once in office?

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