"There's nothing more dangerous than a mother with her child."

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Oh sure but the guy in Texas gets chastised for going after a couple dudes stealing stuff from a neighbor.

maternal instinct to whole 'nother level? not really. someone's coming after your baby, you stop them. do what you have to. love this video. shows it's possible to own and operate a firearm without bein crazy with it.

That dude breaking into her home totally deserved it.

I'm trying to imagine the tone of the news story if this happened in Europe.

I think my problem with guns is they escalate the confrontation. "Fortunately" it seems she didn't give him a chance, because a chance is a risk when there is a gun involved and it doesn't matter who's hands it happens to be in. She hesitates and he overpowers her, or he pulls his own gun and is a better aim and what started out as burglary is now a murder and that kid grows up without any parents.

I can't really condemn her actions though. Just that a guy is dead, even if it was some crook.

>> ^Jinx:
I'm trying to imagine the tone of the news story if this happened in Europe.
I think my problem with guns is they escalate the confrontation. "Fortunately" it seems she didn't give him a chance, because a chance is a risk when there is a gun involved and it doesn't matter who's hands it happens to be in. She hesitates and he overpowers her, or he pulls his own gun and is a better aim and what started out as burglary is now a murder and that kid grows up without any parents.
I can't really condemn her actions though. Just that a guy is dead, even if it was some crook.

I'm trying to imagine WTF you're talking about. The gun didnt "escalate" the situation, it difused it. Are you ignoring the fact the guy was armed with a knife? Why is your scenario based on total fantasy instead of reality? What if she didnt have a gun, and the VERY REAL, ARMED INTRUDER murdered her. How do you come to the conclusion it started out as a burglary? He was breaking down the door armed with a 12" knife! This is a very simple story of a person protecting themselves, no need to add bunch of hypothetical BS to it. I realize that you are trying to justify your "problem with guns", but, this is the WRONG story to use as an anti-gun argument.

if anything this promotes the use of firearms to defend yourself...

>> ^csnel3:

>> ^Jinx:
I'm trying to imagine the tone of the news story if this happened in Europe.
I think my problem with guns is they escalate the confrontation. "Fortunately" it seems she didn't give him a chance, because a chance is a risk when there is a gun involved and it doesn't matter who's hands it happens to be in. She hesitates and he overpowers her, or he pulls his own gun and is a better aim and what started out as burglary is now a murder and that kid grows up without any parents.
I can't really condemn her actions though. Just that a guy is dead, even if it was some crook.

I'm trying to imagine WTF you're talking about. The gun didnt "escalate" the situation, it difused it. Are you ignoring the fact the guy was armed with a knife? Why is your scenario based on total fantasy instead of reality? What if she didnt have a gun, and the VERY REAL, ARMED INTRUDER murdered her. How do you come to the conclusion it started out as a burglary? He was breaking down the door armed with a 12" knife! This is a very simple story of a person protecting themselves, no need to add bunch of hypothetical BS to it. I realize that you are trying to justify your "problen with guns", but, this is the WRONG story to use as an anti-gun argument.

It escalated the situation because it was difused with a gun...you know, as in somebody is dead. How is that hard to understand 0.o. I'd hate to have the Cold War difused in the same manner.


I didn't conclude that it started out as a burglary. It was hypothetical. As is the assumption he was out to kill her.

Is this a good story to support my argument? No, not really, but then stories aren't good evidence anyway. Consider that stories where a guy breaks in, steals a TV and leaves without incident don't tend to get much media coverage.

And yes, I was justifying my position. Sorry if I ruined the mood on this success story for guns.

Good for her for taking the steps ahead of time to not become a victim.

Nothing diffuses a situation like shooting someone dead with a gun.

Situation: diffused.

(I'm not supporting any argument here, I just like the term 'diffused' to describe killing someone).

>> ^kymbos:

Nothing diffuses a situation like shooting someone dead with a gun.
Situation: diffused.
(I'm not supporting any argument here, I just like the term 'diffused' to describe killing someone).


Indeed, there isn't anything good about bad situations, only that it wasn't worse than it was IE dead baby and parent. In situations like these, I can't really have any sympathy for the shooting victim either, though. If you play by the rules of anarchy, you might get burned.

What I don't understand is why she didn't yell "Stop or I'll shoot."

She didn't say that -- she called to get permission to kill someone, and made sure she was on the phone when she pulled the trigger. I find that seriously creepy.

I took a self defense class years ago and the first thing they impressed upon us that learning these skills came with the responsibility to NOT use them until they were necessary.

I will be interested to see how this story plays out. I won't be surprised if there turns out to be more to this story than what is presented here.

I could be wrong about that. But I won't be surprised.

Fair point, bb. Asking permission to shoot someone, rather than preventing the intrusion. Mind you, she could have been scared out of her mind and desperate to make her one shot count. That said, if you're intruding and someone fires a 'warning shot', you'd still run like the wind.

First off, I think almost everybody can agree that its too bad some mothers son has been killed. I wouldnt want to minimize the loss of a human life.
But he was upto some no-good and he just happened to run into someone armed. You cant compare that to the Cold war, FFS.
Its not a cold war when the bad guy breaks into your bedroom with a butcher knife! A cold war?? If the russians would have crossed the border, in the middle of the night, into the USA armed with knives...and our forces would open fire with guns, to end the cold war, this is the manner you would hate???? really???? Bullshit!

Secondly,
"I didn't conclude that it started out as a burglary. It was hypothetical. As is the assumption he was out to kill her."
The burglary was not hypothetical , its the absolute minimum that even the most crooked lawyer could argue! We'll never know what he would've done to the young mother and her child after spending 20+ mins breaching the bedroom with his hunting knife. It would be prudent to assume it would include Robbery, assualt , rape, kidnapping, murder, multiple murder, or any combination of crimes.

I'm glad you realize that this whole ordeal does not support your anti-gun argument even after you try to compare this lunatic, kicking in doors ,armed with a 12" hunting knife, to a sneak thief running off with a TV.

And finally, Dont be sorry, you didnt ruin the mood of this story, you really just pissed on your own foot trying to to turn this into a different story.
You should be happy, there are a lot of other gunplay vids that you can scream like a litle old lady about , this just isnt it. RIP to the guy who just completly wasted his life.
>> ^Jinx:
>> ^csnel3:
>> ^Jinx:
I'm trying to imagine the tone of the news story if this happened in Europe.
I think my problem with guns is they escalate the confrontation. "Fortunately" it seems she didn't give him a chance, because a chance is a risk when there is a gun involved and it doesn't matter who's hands it happens to be in. She hesitates and he overpowers her, or he pulls his own gun and is a better aim and what started out as burglary is now a murder and that kid grows up without any parents.
I can't really condemn her actions though. Just that a guy is dead, even if it was some crook.

I'm trying to imagine WTF you're talking about. The gun didnt "escalate" the situation, it difused it. Are you ignoring the fact the guy was armed with a knife? Why is your scenario based on total fantasy instead of reality? What if she didnt have a gun, and the VERY REAL, ARMED INTRUDER murdered her. How do you come to the conclusion it started out as a burglary? He was breaking down the door armed with a 12" knife! This is a very simple story of a person protecting themselves, no need to add bunch of hypothetical BS to it. I realize that you are trying to justify your "problen with guns", but, this is the WRONG story to use as an anti-gun argument.

It escalated the situation because it was difused with a gun...you know, as in somebody is dead. How is that hard to understand 0.o. I'd hate to have the Cold War difused in the same manner.
I didn't conclude that it started out as a burglary. It was hypothetical. As is the assumption he was out to kill her.
Is this a good story to support my argument? No, not really, but then stories aren't good evidence anyway. Consider that stories where a guy breaks in, steals a TV and leaves without incident don't tend to get much media coverage.
And yes, I was justifying my position. Sorry if I ruined the mood on this success story for guns.

Oklahoma is one of the states that has a "Castle doctrine" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine

So, I'd actually be surprised if she got arrested, regardless of whether or not she warned the intruder. The man was carrying a knife and forced his way into her home. You really don't need much more proof of danger than that.

European title:

"Bloodthirsty Mother Murders Poor Man That Just Wanted to Make a Sandwich in Her Bedroom"

See how this is Entirely Fucking Different from hunting people? One is a guy chasing down and shooting people stealing bullshit property. The other is a mother protecting her child from an armed intruder.

I don't understand how anyone can confuse the two.

In states with Castle Doctrine laws, you don't have to prove that someone is breaking into your house with harmful intent. The law assumes that the unauthorized entry implies felonious intent and authorizes the use of deadly force to protect yourself.

In other words, you don't have to wait around to be sure that the intruder is going to harm you, you can assume it from the act of illegal entry. This removes the troublesome and ill-defined burden of people in their own homes having to wait to get into a deadly situation where they find themselves at a disadvantage before they can defend themselves, and is, IMO a good law.

The thing that gun control advocates fail to acknowledge is that the guy breaking in was also aware of the law, i.e., that if you break into someone's home it's fair for the homeowner to assume that you're there to inflict personal injury and you can be killed with no criminal or civil repercussions on the shooter. He had the same information that she did regarding the law, yet she didn't choose whether or not to start the situation, he did.

Armed with that knowledge, he still chose to break into a woman's house carrying a weapon. There is simply nobody to blame in this situation other than the intruder. The man broke into her house intending to use violence in a calculated way to get whatever he wanted. He was met with someone who also was prepared to use violence, and he lost.

If she would have scared him off with a warning shot or something similar, he would have likely come back after her at some other place and time, when she was at a disadvantage. As unsavory as it is to take a life, the guy had it coming to him. The fact that she waited in her hall to shoot him when he came through the door is of no consequence, as it would have come to violence sooner or later. At least she was able to take advantage of her situation.

And a shotgun.
>> ^Grimm:

"There's nothing more dangerous than a mother with her child."

Diffused all over the floor.
>> ^kymbos:

Nothing diffuses a situation like shooting someone dead with a gun.
Situation: diffused.
(I'm not supporting any argument here, I just like the term 'diffused' to describe killing someone).

>> ^bareboards2:

What I don't understand is why she didn't yell "Stop or I'll shoot."
She didn't say that -- she called to get permission to kill someone, and made sure she was on the phone when she pulled the trigger. I find that seriously creepy.
I took a self defense class years ago and the first thing they impressed upon us that learning these skills came with the responsibility to NOT use them until they were necessary.
I will be interested to see how this story plays out. I won't be surprised if there turns out to be more to this story than what is presented here.
I could be wrong about that. But I won't be surprised.


I was thinking the same, find this really weird how collected she seemed to be on the phone and intent on killing this guy. Was going to downvote this until I heard that her husband had passed away a week before. Bless her, I don't think she's really in her right mind

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