18 Weeks in Jail for Internet Troll

From TYT Youtube -> A UK man faces 18 weeks in jail for cyberbullying families facing tragic losses. Ana Kasparian, Steve Oh and guest host Michael Shure discuss.
NaMeCaFsays...

>> ^Gallowflak:

Sick and tired of these people being cunts and then they/their families pull out the "BUT AUTISM!!!11" bullshit. Go fuck yourself. He's just a sociopath.


Completely agree.

So many people these days are using the "I have aspergers" line as an excuse, when really they're just complete arseholes or arrogant. They think saying they have aspergers (whether they really do or don't is moot) they can get away with it. Well I say it's time to call BS on that shit and own up to being a dick. Or, better yet, stop being a dick!

jimnmssays...

>> ^NaMeCaF:

>> ^Gallowflak:
Sick and tired of these people being cunts and then they/their families pull out the "BUT AUTISM!!!11" bullshit. Go fuck yourself. He's just a sociopath.

Completely agree.
So many people these days are using the "I have aspergers" line as an excuse, when really they're just complete arseholes or arrogant. They think saying they have aspergers (whether they really do or don't is moot) they can get away with it. Well I say it's time to call BS on that shit and own up to being a dick. Or, better yet, stop being a dick!


There's no law against being a dick. As much as I hate trolls/dicks/assholes, making up a law to shut them up is a bad idea.

Porksandwichsays...

Depends on how he tried to contact these families. If he spent his time calling them, emailing them, posting to their facebook/whatever pages....IE picking a member and specifically putting this in their face for no other reason than to upset them. I think he should absolutely be punished for it if he is contacting them directly and repeatedly, especially if he shows a pattern of contacting a particular type of person in this case those who've recently lost a teenager.

Now, if he has a mental illness, then as well as punishment he should receive treatment. And if he refuses any and all treatment options, then he should spend the maximum time locked up as there is the likelihood that he will never stop. Mentally ill people don't often pull themselves out of it without medication or something really traumatic/intense happening to them.....like getting beaten bad enough that it requires some recovery time to where they can directly associate what they do to getting their ass kicked thoroughly.

And there's always the chance that he is being treated and his medication is causing obsessiveness and fixations like this. In which case, if it's preventing bigger issues and they haven't found other medications that work as well as the one he is taking or are out of options for medications/treatments. Then they should stick him in a group home where his actions can be monitored/filtered/blocked however it needs to be done.

Boise_Libsays...

>> ^Porksandwich:

Mentally ill people don't often can't pull themselves out of it without medication or something really traumatic/intense happening to them.....like getting beaten bad enough that it requires some recovery time to where they can directly associate what they do to getting their ass kicked thoroughly.


I agree with you except for one word choice.

Lawdeedawsays...

Yes, yes there are.

>> ^jimnms:

>> ^NaMeCaF:
>> ^Gallowflak:
Sick and tired of these people being cunts and then they/their families pull out the "BUT AUTISM!!!11" bullshit. Go fuck yourself. He's just a sociopath.

Completely agree.
So many people these days are using the "I have aspergers" line as an excuse, when really they're just complete arseholes or arrogant. They think saying they have aspergers (whether they really do or don't is moot) they can get away with it. Well I say it's time to call BS on that shit and own up to being a dick. Or, better yet, stop being a dick!

There's no law against being a dick. As much as I hate trolls/dicks/assholes, making up a law to shut them up is a bad idea.

Yogisays...

>> ^Lawdeedaw:

Yes, yes there are.
>> ^jimnms:
>> ^NaMeCaF:
>> ^Gallowflak:
Sick and tired of these people being cunts and then they/their families pull out the "BUT AUTISM!!!11" bullshit. Go fuck yourself. He's just a sociopath.

Completely agree.
So many people these days are using the "I have aspergers" line as an excuse, when really they're just complete arseholes or arrogant. They think saying they have aspergers (whether they really do or don't is moot) they can get away with it. Well I say it's time to call BS on that shit and own up to being a dick. Or, better yet, stop being a dick!

There's no law against being a dick. As much as I hate trolls/dicks/assholes, making up a law to shut them up is a bad idea.



Maybe in backwards ass countries.

Lawdeedawsays...

>> ^Lumm:

>> ^jimnms:
>> ^Lawdeedaw:
Yes, yes there are.[citation needed]

?

[citation] http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=13495


Damnn, Lumm, you are good!

@jimnms Besides, we say free speech as though we want it limitless. It is only trolling after all... Yet, when it comes to guns, then, then we need limits! Because guns can kill people (Just like speech can.) And we all agree, somehow, that there should be those limits to guns. Even though the old laws allow for limitless use of both. How hypocritical.

This is just my opinion and bears no factual basis so please don't as for another citation

I think we on the sift looooooves our freedoms so very much that we are blinded to the fact that they are granted freedoms, not rights.

jimnmssays...

>> ^Lumm:
[citation] http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=13495


From your source:

Many states have enacted "cyberstalking" or "cyberharassment" laws or have laws that explicitly include electronic forms of communication within more traditional stalking or harassment laws.
Just like it says, those laws just add electronic forms of communications into existing stalking and harassment laws. That still doesn't make it illegal to be a dick. If it was, who gets to decide what's considered dickish? Like they already said in the video, how is what he did any different than the WBC protesting at dead soldier's funerals. Should it be illegal because it's done online, but perfectly OK to do it in person? As sickening as what he did and what the WBC do, if we start telling them they can't do it, then that's just the start of the snowball rolling down the mountain.

Porksandwichsays...

>> ^jimnms:

>> ^Lumm:
[citation] http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=13495

From your source:

Many states have enacted "cyberstalking" or "cyberharassment" laws or have laws that explicitly include electronic forms of communication within more traditional stalking or harassment laws.
Just like it says, those laws just add electronic forms of communications into existing stalking and harassment laws. That still doesn't make it illegal to be a dick. If it was, who gets to decide what's considered dickish? Like they already said in the video, how is what he did any different than the WBC protesting at dead soldier's funerals. Should it be illegal because it's done online, but perfectly OK to do it in person? As sickening as what he did and what the WBC do, if we start telling them they can't do it, then that's just the start of the snowball rolling down the mountain.


I'd agree, except by everything I've read/saw he contacts the families and directs them to his stuff. They don't indicate how many times he contacts them or how he contacts them. But if there were no contact, it's likely his whole message would never be seen by the families and they wouldn't even know about it to react to it. The contact part is the important part of this, not him putting abhorrent things on the internet.

It's the difference between some guy telling everyone he meets that he thinks you're an asshole and him calling you everyday to tell you that he thinks you're an asshole. You tell him once to stop calling/emailing/etc and he's supposed to stop.

The difference with WBC is that if they do it in a public location, it's within their rights...if they take to doing it in your front yard or something you have direct control over then it moves into a different arena of law. You have the right to tell people to get off your property and to not call/email/write you anymore, and people will be punished if they continue to do those things. Like this guy.

nanrodsays...

My son has Asburger's Syndrome and you're absolutely correct that it is in no way an excuse for this kind of behavior. Sufferers are impulsive in their behavior but the key symptom is an inability to recognize social cues and read body language which results in them behaving inappropriately in social situations. However over the internet they are on an even playing field with everyone else and come across as perfectly normal. They are usually very intelligent and have no problem knowing right from wrong. When I showed this vid to my son he got very angry at the guy's actions but more so at his using AS as an excuse for being an extreme douche (his words) >> ^NaMeCaF:

>> ^Gallowflak:
Sick and tired of these people being cunts and then they/their families pull out the "BUT AUTISM!!!11" bullshit. Go fuck yourself. He's just a sociopath.

Completely agree.
So many people these days are using the "I have aspergers" line as an excuse, when really they're just complete arseholes or arrogant. They think saying they have aspergers (whether they really do or don't is moot) they can get away with it. Well I say it's time to call BS on that shit and own up to being a dick. Or, better yet, stop being a dick!

jimnmssays...

And it's started...

NY State Senators Say We've Got Too Much Free Speech; Introduce Bill To Fix That

We've been pointing out a variety of attempts to push back on the First Amendment lately. One fertile ground for such attacks are local politicians carrying the "cyberbullying" banner, in various attempts to magically outlaw being a "jerk" online, usually by making it illegal to offend someone online. Of course, making someone's action illegal based on how someone else feels about it is all kinds of crazy. It also would seem to violate the very principles of the First Amendment, which bar Congress (and local governments) from passing any laws that take away one's right to free speech.

In the past, lawmakers pushing these laws have tended to simply ignore the First Amendment issue, and focus on screaming "protect the children!" as loudly as possible (never mind the fact that kids seem much less concerned about "bullying" than all these adults seem to think). However, it appears that some state Senators in NY are trying a new line of attack: going directly after the First Amendment and suggesting that current interpretations are way too broad, and it's not really meant to protect any sort of free speech right. In fact, it sounds as though they're trying to redefine the right to free speech into a privilege that can be taken away.

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