I think you are great. Just sayin'.

@gwiz665 good words, gwiz.

Ease up, dude.

Drinking the koolaid, my friend, drinking the koolaid.

I presume you are not wealthy? But you want the wealthy to get wealthier while the country drowns in debt.

I'll let you have the last word. If cold hard facts don't move you, nothing will.

In reply to this comment by maestro156:
That's what I call appropriately aligned incentives. They've already paid taxes on the wages that went to buy the investments. If you raise taxes on capital gains you incentivize them to spend it arbitrarily, while if you keep capital gains low, you incentivize them to invest it.

I think it's clear that investments are a better expenditure than arbitrary spending, but you can feel free to disagree.

In reply to this comment by bareboards2:
The struggle to have the government be the "right" size is a conversation that will go on for as long as we have a viable country. There is no right answer.

However.

I do taxes. Let me tell you something...

Married filing joint. Dividend income from US corporations of $80,000. You know how much tax this couple pays?

$200. I swear to God.

If that same couple had wage income? Then they would pay $8,400 in income taxes, plus as additional $6,100 in payroll taxes.

I did a return for a married couple who had taxable income of $70,000, after standard deduction and exemptions of $16,000, who paid $3,000 in tax. In other words, income of $89,000 paying $3,000 in tax. Had a big capital gain, all of which was taxes at ZERO TAX RATE. Zero. ZERO.

Don't talk to me about the debt. DO NOT TALK TO ME ABOUT THE DEBT without talking about putting tax rates back.

It is a crime what has gone on in this country for the capital-heavy people. Wages and pensions get taxed full bore, but capital?

Drives me crazy.

I love this man.

The struggle to have the government be the "right" size is a conversation that will go on for as long as we have a viable country. There is no right answer.

However.

I do taxes. Let me tell you something...

Married filing joint. Dividend income from US corporations of $80,000. You know how much tax this couple pays?

$200. I swear to God.

If that same couple had wage income? Then they would pay $8,400 in income taxes, plus as additional $6,100 in payroll taxes.

I did a return for a married couple who had taxable income of $70,000, after standard deduction and exemptions of $16,000, who paid $3,000 in tax. In other words, income of $89,000 paying $3,000 in tax. Had a big capital gain, all of which was taxes at ZERO TAX RATE. Zero. ZERO.

Don't talk to me about the debt. DO NOT TALK TO ME ABOUT THE DEBT without talking about putting tax rates back.

It is a crime what has gone on in this country for the capital-heavy people. Wages and pensions get taxed full bore, but capital?

Drives me crazy.

In reply to this comment by maestro156:
The debt is only a symptom of a much larger problem, oversized government.

Though even if we returned the taxes to where they were a year ago, we've long since outgrown those tax rates. It simply wouldn't help. The only realistic way to get out of debt is to stop spending so much. If we even _froze_ our spending for 10 years, we'd grow our way out of debt. (And yes before you ask, that includes shrinking our military pretty heavily as well)


In reply to this comment by bareboards2:
Put the taxes back to where they were ten years ago, if the debt is such a worry.

Stop using the debt as a reason, please.

In reply to this comment by maestro156:
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we would have the most important of these in place, while keeping the size and scope of our government limited in a way that would have avoided our current indebtedness.

Put the taxes back to where they were ten years ago, if the debt is such a worry.

Stop using the debt as a reason, please.

In reply to this comment by maestro156:
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we would have the most important of these in place, while keeping the size and scope of our government limited in a way that would have avoided our current indebtedness.

How different would this conversation have been if the title had been

"Equality Achieved -- Women are just as stupid as Men"

Fluent in English and Danish.... you are allowed to suck (slightly) at German.

Plus, you are assuming that Google Translate speaks German better than you. I wouldn't make that assumption!

In reply to this comment by gwiz665:
Dammit! I suck at German.

Now I've got it to "they go out of my living room" -- don't understand the Nazi part.

I'm more of a scolding teacher, slapping wrists and making you do homework than a Nazi.

There's the problem with the intertubes -- no tone of voice.

In reply to this comment by gwiz665:
Heh, my german is rusty. Probably more like gehen sie aus mein (...) and the lebensraum was a nazi reference.

Yes, you can.

Hope you watched it first.



>> ^gwiz665:

I'm downvoting this because I can.

Google translates as "Gessen it out on my living room." I wonder what Gessen means.




>> ^gwiz665:

Votewhoring! Gessen sie aus auf mein lebensraum!
>> ^bareboards2:
http://videosift.com/video/Tina-Fey-and-SNL-Salute-Women-Writers
Misogyny is alive and well in our culture. I'll say it again, there is nothing horrible about this vid -- it is the reaction to this vid that I personally feared and I am glad that all this talk about being a killjoy has circumvented.
Now go watch the vid above three times, think about what it is saying, and vote for it three times.

http://videosift.com/video/Tina-Fey-and-SNL-Salute-Women-Writers

Misogyny is alive and well in our culture. I'll say it again, there is nothing horrible about this vid -- it is the reaction to this vid that I personally feared and I am glad that all this talk about being a killjoy has circumvented.

Now go watch the vid above three times, think about what it is saying, and vote for it three times.

I happened to be in the Sift Lounge when this vid was presented for possibly posting -- by one of the sweetest kindest people on the Sift. I tried to dissuade it from being posted -- not because this vid is so horrible -- she did agree to the frat boy stupidness, for whatever reason.

I was afraid of the comment stream that would follow.

The link above by Larsarus -- not funny, no way funny, not dark humor just violent towards women, and telling that it came from the same website as this post. I was afraid that there would be many many posts circling around variations of that deep down ugliness.

@spoco2 helped stop that. Thanks again, spoco. And @dag and @kymbos and everyone else who downvoted.

So now you can all pile onto me for being a killjoy and stomping on the fun. Because I'll tell you -- having stuff like Lasarus's vid link kills my joy and stomps on my fun. Turn about is fairplay, right?

Thank you.


>> ^spoco2:

Nothing funny in that at fucking all.
Depressing the shit that people find amusing.

If you think it is, then it is.

I fixed it.

>> ^bstensland:

Might be NSFW