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I loved this show. I didn't really get Craigs warnings though. Is the USA really that puritanical?

From the news link - "In a press release, Cotati police said the officers’ actions were justified because it was a call for domestic violence, and as such, the officers could not leave without making sure everyone inside the apartment was safe."

Oh the irony. Bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity.

Sad that we accept tazers as compliance instruments rather than non-lethal substitutes for guns now. Slippery slope in action.

I know what he means.

Suck shit

Property rights vs property rights.

OOoooooohh daym son. You is trouble now!

I think we need to get detailed. Israel captured and occupied the Golan Heights in the 1967 war in which they "pre-emptively" struck Egypt decimating their air force and in turn Syria and their Arab allies declared war on Israel for this aggression.

"As Israel's neighbors prepared to destroy the Jewish state, Israel invoked its inherent right of self-defense, launching a preemptive strike (5 June 1967) against Egypt in the South, followed by a counterattack against Jordan in the East and the routing of Syrian forces entrenched on the Golan Heights in the North.

At the end of six days of fighting, previous cease-fire lines were replaced by new ones, with Judea, Samaria, Gaza, the Sinai peninsula, and the Golan Heights under Israel's control."

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/AboutIsrael/History/pages/HISTORY-%20The%20State%20of%20Israel.aspx

Facts matter.

I do believe that Israel started that particular war.

1948 - Arabs
1957 - Israel, Britain and France
1967 - Israel
1973 - Arabs
1982 - Israel

Correct me where I am wrong please.

Two words: Golan Heights.

Same could be said for their opponents.

I know my Middle East history and have no illusions about who is and is not the aggressor. My point is that there is ALWAYS a double standard. That you took this as an attack on Israel's moral standing simply highlights your own double standard.

By the way, the extensive temporary exodus is now 65 years temporary with no talk about right of return, at least not to the people born in pre-Israel Palestine. And any talk of right of return by the Palestinian Authority has been used as grounds for abandoning peace/settlement talks by the Israeli government. Just a little fact check, not a sign of partisanship.

Beautifully put aaronfr. The justifications for violent action are always justified in the minds of the perpetrators. Seldom and always after the fact does anyone admit the partisan and asymmetrical moralising one uses in such justifications.

The truth of the matter is that the USA and, by extension, Israel do what they do because they have the power to do so. Moral considerations are merely a way of feeling comfortable about using that power in the name of national interest which itself assumes a certain moral objectivity that their opponents also purport to have.

Israel is completely within its rights to attack another sovereign nation because....

*Insert any other nation* is completely within its rights to attack another sovereign nation because...