Great video. I really wish people understood this concept better.

Any of this sound familiar?
"Kids these days are too soft. When we were kids, we rode bikes without helmets, sat in the front seat of cars, <insert outer dangerous activity> and WE WERE FINE"

Of course, you were fine; the fact that you're here to tell that anecdote is proof of that. The kids who died in auto accidents generally don't get to tell their stories.

In terms of what this means for our day to day lives? You can't just look at the winners and copy what they did. You have to look at the losers and avoid what they did.

They pulled too close, fired way to fast, even the judge agreed. Yes, some blame falls on the parents, but how many cops are being shot and killed vs citizens at this point?

When does officer safety trump the fact that they are supposed to serve and protect, not shoot at the first option and sort it out later? They fired on Tamir within 2 Seconds of arriving on scene, 2 seconds...

What is even more disturbing about this case is, after shooting him, the police walked around the scene and looked for the weapon while the kid lay dying on the snow. Tamir laid there for 4 minutes bleeding from a torso gunshot wound until a police detective and an FBI agent who happened to be nearby came and rendered aid.

Both cops also had issues.

In a memo to Independence's human resources manager, released by the city in the aftermath of the shooting, Independence deputy police chief Jim Polak wrote that Loehmann had resigned rather than face certain termination due to concerns that he lacked the emotional stability to be a police officer. Polak said that Loehmann was unable to follow "basic functions as instructed". He specifically cited a "dangerous loss of composure" that occurred in a weapons training exercise, during which Loehmann's weapons handling was "dismal" and he became visibly "distracted and weepy" as a result of relationship problems. The memo concluded, "Individually, these events would not be considered major situations, but when taken together they show a pattern of a lack of maturity, indiscretion and not following instructions, I do not believe time, nor training, will be able to change or correct these deficiencies." It was subsequently revealed that Cleveland police officials never reviewed Loehmann's personnel file from Independence prior to hiring him.

Garmback, who was driving the police cruiser, has been a police officer in Cleveland since 2008. In 2014, the City of Cleveland paid US$100,000 to settle an excessive force lawsuit brought against him by a local woman; according to her lawsuit, Garmback "rushed and placed her in a chokehold, tackled her to the ground, twisted her wrist and began hitting her body" and "such reckless, wanton and willful excessive use of force proximately caused bodily injury". The woman had called the police to report a car blocking her driveway. The settlement does not appear in Garmback's personnel file.

Amazing pieces of work, and both out there to take care of us. I feel safe, do you?

This was better than the "Make Safe Happen" super bowl commercial that was basically saying that if you love your children you will buy insurance from Nationwide. That commercial showed a kid who died because of an unsafe situation. Not sure exactly what insurance would have done to help there.

This one was much better. If you love your kids you should purchase insurance to guarantee stability for their upbringing.

Because we find it abhorrent and we've been against massive deaths for awhile. After two World Wars Europe came together and basically decided if they have another one it would probably be the absolute death of everyone. So they started communicating, and I know everyone has problems with the Euro, and Politics and the EU and the UN. But this is the result, the end of massive war deaths. So that's Europe.

Second is the US, basically the lone super power after World War 2 controlling about half of all the worlds wealth. After the 1960s there was a civilizing effect because of all the protests. When Vietnam started nobody knew about the body counts, heck nobody knew that we attacked south vietnam at all. So suddenly there was a demand for information about this war where our kids were dying and we were finding out that they were doing a lot of things our consciousness couldn't tolerate.

So after a ton of protesting and upheaval in the country, so much so that troops were being rerouted to come back to the US to deal with the people the government went underground. They had secret wars, which of course are illegal and immoral however much MUCH less death. They just can't do whatever the hell they want anymore, we won't put up with it.

That's why when people try and compare Iraq to Vietnam I just laugh. There are hardly any comparisons that could be justified. The amount of deaths alone and the results aren't even in the same galaxy. And the reason is one thing, public protest and pressure. Iraq was the first war in human history where there was massive protests BEFORE the war even started.

Then even the Iraqi people protested because they weren't getting a chance to choose their own leaders, have their own democracy. There was nothing about us letting them vote for anything, we didn't want to allow though, and tried whatever we could to stop it. But too many people protested, there was too much reporting done on those protests.

So this is what it is, People. We stopped it, we got up and looked at these millions of dead bodies and said ENOUGH. We're not perfect we fuck up a lot, but if you want to look at what has affected the body counts in War more than anything it's peoples reaction to it. You could say weapons caused that reaction if you want but I prefer to give the people their fair do. We know when something is wrong and we're standing up to it. All over the world it's happening now, take part.

Just pointing out that I think it's dishonest to be a statist and deride others for being statists, statist.

Thanks for telling me that you fill out a W9, live in LA, and that you're an author; and letting me know that that information is none of my business. How contradictory of you. Statist liberloon.

Although it's fun pointing out you calling the kettle black, it's not necessarily personal grudge. I believe that libertarianism and white-washing of regulations is a bad thing. Look at Pakistan. It's no Somalia in terms of a libertarian paradise, but it's not far off:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/538217/poor-regulation/

^Pakistan is a country riddled with a lack of regulation, yet the poor keep getting poorer there, and the rich keep getting richer.

People who are destitute enough, do have alternatives that are not afforded to them here in the States though, they can sell their organs:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/feb/10/pakistan.declanwalsh

OH TO BE FREE! to sell your organs...

If you do end up getting sick, you can always turn to the largely unregulated drug industry: http://www.aljazeera.com/video/asia/2012/01/201212775512528261.html

FREEDOM! to produce dangerous drugs on a mass scale... Hey! That's kindof like those kids who died from the polio vaccination that was privately funded and not regulated: http://www.sfgate.com/health/article/When-polio-vaccine-backfired-Tainted-batches-2677525.php

It's kind of like...ohhh I wasn't gonna post this again, but what the heck:

Thanks bro, and thanks for the promote. I pulled the title off of youtube, so im not married to it. I'll think about alternatives.

I think the question of meaning is primary in our lives..and it's easy to go through life just doing what everyone expects you to do (go to school, get a job, get a wife, get a house, have kids, retire, die), without really thinking about it. The bread and circuses you were talking about. The American dream, for instance..is this really a fulfilling concept? Is the point of our lives to check everything off that list before we die? That's the way it is portrayed to us by society, anyway..just do A B C D and E and you'll have lived a meaningful life.

I don't think anyone really buys that, because it isn't fulfilling. I believe it is the true origin of the mid life crisis. You're doing everything society says you need to do to make you happy, and it's not making you happy. You've achieved all of these goals and checked the things off of the list, but even though you should be at peace, you're not. I think it's that dichotomy Tim was talking about between your heart and your mind, where you know in your core being that there has to be something more than this, a reason that you're here, but intellectually you can't justify it so you go along with the program. Yet for some reason you're disappointed when that greater meaning never manifests itself. You might even get depressed over it. I think it's because you're living as though there is a greater meaning even when you don't actually believe that there is. It's because the heart and the mind are not in agreement with one another. Sooner or later, something has to give, so I think these are questions everyone should ask themselves.

Great video by good ol' potholer. The anti-vaccine thing is something which REALLY gets my blood boiling.

People with selfish interests create fake link->Parents with no scientific understanding take this fake link as proof of someone to blame for why their child is how they are->These non-scientific parents start spreading this information as if it's fact->Morons like Jenny McCarthy jump on it and promote the shit out of it->More parents who think that celebrities know better than scientists stop vaccinating their kids->kids die


It's fucked, I hate it, I hate that people in my family and friend circle believe this shit and put their kids and others at risk because of it.

ARGH.

*promote

Sounds like the doctors who delivered those kids are a bunch of know it all pricks.

I can understand if they couldn't return due to procedures or whatever else, but 2 hours of this going on...and then after that ignoring the interview team who wanted to find out more. It just smacks of someone who won't go to any length beyond what's required of them by law/policy to aid someone and should rightfully be fearing a lawsuit because they obviously messed up.

I picture that doctor just sitting around waiting for news that the kid has died in the next few years so he can say I TOLD YOU.

>> ^IronDwarf:
That's like my neighbor setting my house on fire because he's angry about my dog pooping on his lawn; not the best way to get one's point across.


I agree - not the best way to get one's point across. 911 was an unforgivable atrocity but what this guy is trying to say is that there's no discussion or awareness of what WE did to provoke it. If someone burns down our house that's awful but if we've been a serial arsonists for profit since Truman and the police don't care then maybe we don't hold the moral high ground anymore when someone finally says fuck it and burns our house down.

In the aftermath of 911 we've killed many many more civilians in Iraq than died in the twin towers and they didn't even have anything to do with it. That's a non-issue in this country and that's very fucked up. The pre-911 stuff is less straight forward but I don't think anybody with intellectual honesty could say we're not responsible for *many* times more deaths and desctruction of culture by our long standing habit of paying and supporting dictators to do our dirty work throughout the middle east and the rest of the world. 911 is just a tiny drop in the bucket in comparison. Terrible and unforgivable but still just a tiny drop in the bucket.

If we refuse to realize our part in this stuff, shit like this is going to keep happening. I don't want my kids to die in a dirty bomb attack because my neighbors refuse to have the tiniest bit of self awareness and responsibility.

>> ^westy:
At least if the kid did die they could have had some fresh stake.

You're an IDIOT...

...it'd be veal

At least if the kid did die they could have had some fresh stake.

gahdamn! childhood leukemia! there's your dose of perspective for the day.


example:
"...what the! Somebody took my parking space! I'm so upset! ... oh wait, some kid is dying from leukemia right now. Yeah, okay, this parking space thing is not a big deal. I think I'll go volunteer at the hospital after work."

>> ^spoco2:
>> crimes? Really, your position is by FAR the more untenable.


So yes paddling works, until the child can fight back.

There is no reason to paddle, there is reason to reason with children, violence only begets violence. Stimulus and response, you kick a dog so many times it will bite you back, and all I can say is you deserved it. So don't kick the dog. Ya dig?

"VINCENT
Just drive.
(beat)
They project onto you their flaws,
what they don't like about themselves,
their lives, whatever. And then they
rank on you, instead...

MAX
How do you know?

VINCENT
I had a father like that.

MAX
Mothers are worse.

VINCENT *
Mine died when I was one. *

MAX
What happened?

VINCENT
He hated whatever I did. Got drunk.
Beat me up all the time.

MAX
Then what?

VINCENT
(intimate)
I killed him. I was 12.
(MORE)

(CONTINUED)

10/4/03 MM revs. (blue) 63A.
46 CONTINUED: (2) 46

VINCENT (CONT'D)
He was the first.
(off Max's look)
I'm kidding. He died of liver cancer.
" - quoted from http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Collateral.html

Point is you never know when as a parent you could cause a problem with a child, you don't beat them you punish them in other ways. But most of the time its because they are defiant of you, and they are trying to create a niche for themselves int he family unit, what do you expect. Its the nature of life, make a niche or die.


PS: Some one said something about paddling people, had to input.

Bush talking about "patriots willing to serve a cause greater than themselves" is a laugh since he escaped having to go to Vietnam by joining the National Guard. And now he's sending all these kids to die? For a lie? What a fucking scumbag.

I too hate the woman. She is quite the bitch. I think it's sad the parents were not smart enough to seek medical help, but this is just nature weeding out the ignorant. Why should my tax dollars go towards policing the world. Jesus, when will people stop trying to police every aspect of every body. Honestly, the only thing the parents are guilty of is ignorance. How would they know their daughter would die so quickly. There are a lot of people who don't ever seek medical help in this country, should we create a law that says you HAVE to seek medical help in ANY situation? I mean come on, it's not your kid who died. It's not your choice to make, its the parents and now they have to live with a bad decision, just like if they were rushing their kid to a hospital and swerved left of center and hit a truck head on and wiped out half their family. You think they should also go to JAIL because of poor driving or would losing half their family be punishment enough? I do believe these things are called accidents because they aren't intentional.