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oritteropo says...

I agree with your 70%

It sounds better than we have here, we have the incumbents who want to wage war on the poor and not tax the rich, and Labor who want to stay very quiet until the election because Abbott and co are doing such a fine job of selling them (or at least burying themselves).

I used to think that the UK would be a nice place to live until it turned into a police state a few (?) years ago.

radx said:

The Labour Party Manifesto is quite the mixed bag, if the Guardian's bullet points are reasonably accurate.

Some good ideas in it, but looming over all, again, is the one-two of deficit reduction and "competetive" (aka miniscule) corporate tax rates. Any guess on how many of their decent ideas would be scrapped due to budgetary constraints? My money would be on 70%+.

oritteropo says...

Yeah, sounds like implementing the Croatian system would take more organisation than the Greeks have. Even the promised loan of tax department officials from Germany probably wouldn't be quite enough (and I'm not sure why Tsipras hasn't quietly taken up the offer, except that it does suit him to keep his cards close to his chest for now).

My confusion stems from every single article reading as if there is some compromise actually underway or imminent, but they never provide enough hints to work out what it might be... and anything I can think of is immediately proven false in the next update.

For instance, if Syriza had announced the €2B as an end to the suffering from austerity, and now the measures will only affect Government and the Oligarchs, then it would have made perfect sense... but instead both sides just keep giving out the same messages they have since the start.

I think it's possible they'll muddle through in the end, but at this point it's not at all clear how.

radx said:

If I remember correctly, the Croatians put everything else on hold when they introduced their system and had their entire staff out in the field for 6 months to enforce it. After that, the system was widely accepted and controls could be tuned down to a normal level.

Greece cannot go down the same route if most of what little bureacracy they have is still in cahoots with the previous nepotic governments. Maybe some third party can provide personnel for a few months...

The €2B come straight from our Tax Avoider in Chief, Juncker. Some say he's more of a federalist, more willing to compromise to keep the EZ together. Doesn't really matter though, Greece is too far down the rabbit hole.

As for Syriza: your guess is as good as mine. If they don't start praying to our Lord Austerity soon, the Troika won't hesitate to let them drown. And if they do get on their knees, Syriza will split and everything's back to square one.

oritteropo says...

That system looks really good, and exactly what Greece needs... provided they can come up with a way to get everyone to use it.

I've been reading each update, but only getting more puzzled... why do Syriza seem so unprepared? What's the deal with the announced billion euros of EU aid for the "humanitarian crisis"?

radx said:

The bits and pieces that I've seen of Greece's new list of reforms includes a measure that is strikingly similar to this.

Good stuff. Even officials from Austria went down to Zagreb to check out this system, so kudos to our Croatian comrades for this "invention" of theirs.

oritteropo says...

Something that may interest you, on the subject of plutocracy, is that of our 76 federal senators and probably the 150 MPs, as far as I know we have exactly ONE who comes from a disadvantaged background, Ricky Muir. If you follow that link, then under speeches is a transcript of his recent first speech to the Senate. He does ramble a little bit, but all the Australian papers have summaries, as does the ABC.

oritteropo says...

Yes, I can even imagine how they would look - http://goo.gl/oQjivN (I hope they kept the printing plates).

I do wonder if there is some obscure euro rule or bailout condition that would prevent it.. but in any case, as with previous governments, unless Syriza sort out tax and corruption they have no chance with or without TANs.

radx said:

As a fan of your fellow Aussie Bill Mitchell's work on MMT and the Eurozone, I'm quite delighted to see TANs offered as one tool of many to alleviate at least some of Greece's problems.

oritteropo says...

That's a sentiment I've been hearing much more lately.

If enough people start saying it, it's even possible that some changes could be made.

Of course, it's also possible that Europe will just keep muddling through and make the barest concessions required to stop a revolt.

You know, I don't think the unelected part is such a problem, it's all down to the unaccountability.

radx said:


Frankly, I'd be satisfied if these calls were made by parliaments instead of unelected and unaccountable officials.

oritteropo says...

Well that makes for depressing reading, just as much second time around as the first But thanks, still interesting.

So this might be a stupid question, but is there any mechanism in the EU treaties to allow a defeated nation to appeal against any of these actions?

radx said:

Last week, I mentioned a report about how Cyprus was sacrificed to prop up Greek banks. Parts of it have now been published in English as well:


ant says...

Nice. URL?

radx said:

Update 1.2 will add a Leonary Nimoy Memorial station in orbit around Vulcan (LHS 3006) to Elite: Dangerous -- well done, Frontier Developments.

oritteropo says...


And yet, it's George Papaconstantinou in court, over that exact Lagarde list, and not Virvidakis.

Something which is often stated as fact is that if you try to tax the rich, they will up and leave. Well, maybe a few would, but most people are more settled than that. I think there is some chance we will get the question answered in Greece some time in the near future. I somehow don't see Varoufakis removing any names from the list... relatives or otherwise.

That video does reflect rather well on the new President of the Greek Parliament, doesn't it

radx said:

Democracy in Greece, post-crisis, pre-Syriza:


The one MP in opposition during this clip is now President of the Greek Parliament. She's also on record about the Lagarde list of 2062 Greek tax dodgers, 6(!) of whom were checked up on. The list was handed over in 2010, and it has been held under wraps at the bidding of the IMF.

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