enoch says... political and economic structures in complex societies is so...massive..that i tend to get lost in attempting to convey my point. how do i tell trance that what he is actually suggesting is corporate tyranny? how do you tell someone that and have them listen,when my examples are so weak and ineffectual. ya know what..im gonna post a chomsky interview that covers much of our discussion. hope people watch it because american libertarianism has a dark secret,and its abject slavery. unless those libertarians know of some new democratic corporation that we heard of..never.