I agree, "collusive" (what you normally see in aikido)practice is useless. Forget about all that stuff they teach about ki and inner power. all it amounts to is good balance, and attacking the attacker.

I do like good discourse about the difference between art and discipline.

MMA is sport, as is kendo (fencing) and there are rules, as in all things. But in real "combat" (rare) there are no rules, and if only we could train like that can we be sure of any thing.

BTW That video below ... is really funny.

In reply to this comment by chilaxe:
Thanks for your response. I think if practitioners are used to their opponent giving them an arm to manipulate and not putting up resistance, they'll be very surprised if they're ever in combat with a determined attacker.

I think the momentum in the martial arts world is in favor of MMA, and the challenge for Aikido in the modern scene is to prove to skeptics it can be effective in that context. Relaxing the taboo against competing with other disciplines would probably go a long way. Also, the UFC has no rules against most Aikido moves, so if they were as effective as they're supposed to be, one would expect there would be at least one UFC fighter training in Aikido rather than the usual striking arts combined with submission wrestling/BJJ.

My concern is just that most people would be better off studying MMA-proven, combat-oriented disciplines .

In reply to this comment by NordlichReiter:
The aikido you see on youtube is demonstration. This Kiai master is not Aikido. He is Ki society. Until you have trained for a class in aikido Hapkido, or any of these types you cant understand that in certain holds you cannot fight without loosing a limb in the process.

I can speak for my school that there are serious students and there are the "I want a black belt type." Most of the time people are "I'm a black belt type." These people diminish the training. In the classes that I attend there are 2 wrestlers(judo), 4 bjj guys, several karateka(Japanese Schools), and 2 boxers. The rest are martial undergrads with no previous experience.

The one thing I have learned in 15 years of martial training, is that you cannot train to win, only train to survive. No situation is a surething, you may think you will win but even then you could trip on a pebble and fall on face.

In reply to this comment by chilaxe:
Don't be fooled. In aikido practice, if you resist the moves they're doing on you, they don't work and it's just embarrassing for everybody. Kind of like this classic vid: http://www.videosift.com/video/Kiai-Master-Gets-Owned

Empiricism is better than faith

The aikido you see on youtube is demonstration. This Kiai master is not Aikido. He is Ki society. Until you have trained for a class in aikido Hapkido, or any of these types you cant understand that in certain holds you cannot fight without loosing a limb in the process.

I can speak for my school that there are serious students and there are the "I want a black belt type." Most of the time people are "I'm a black belt type." These people diminish the training. In the classes that I attend there are 2 wrestlers(judo), 4 bjj guys, several karateka(Japanese Schools), and 2 boxers. The rest are martial undergrads with no previous experience.

The one thing I have learned in 15 years of martial training, is that you cannot train to win, only train to survive. No situation is a surething, you may think you will win but even then you could trip on a pebble and fall on face.

In reply to this comment by chilaxe:
Don't be fooled. In aikido practice, if you resist the moves they're doing on you, they don't work and it's just embarrassing for everybody. Kind of like this classic vid: http://www.videosift.com/video/Kiai-Master-Gets-Owned

Empiricism is better than faith

Hmm, still says it's not available...I'll bet it's region blocked.

In reply to this comment by chilaxe:
Thx for the note, Critttter, but it seems to be working fine for me. Is it still not working for you?

In reply to this comment by critttter:
Hi Chilaxe - your 'Gender Trouble' post is no longer available, unfortunately...

Hi Chilaxe - your 'Gender Trouble' post is no longer available, unfortunately...

sorry about the other video being sent to discussion chilaxe... I explained everything in the comment... For what its worth, after it was returned, I upvoted it...

http://happy.videosift.com/talk/ITS-ZOMBIES-TIMEMr-Zonbie-Reaches-a-100-Come-Here

Hi chilaxe,
as a proponent of life-long learning I think you'll appreciate these talks organized by the Long now foundation,
https://videosift.com/tag/long+now+foundation
best regards,
Eklek

Thank you very, very much.

In reply to this comment by chilaxe:
Hey Fjnbk, here's a working version of Republican Space Rangers: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/210909.html

(hilarious vid)

That's famous internet icon "Serious Cat".

In reply to this comment by chilaxe:
Hey, can I ask.. What's your avatar from?

check out the whole series on youtube. good stuff

r

In reply to this comment by chilaxe:
smart

Sure, it's from the ending movie to Fallout.

In reply to your comment:
“Hey Gorillaman, I like your icon. Can I ask where it's from?”