newtboy says... @Payback, I'll put in my 2 cents on this discussion with @messenger, since it's stayed public. I feel like you both seem to have a point about why certain users should be reminded of the sift 'rules' about attacking, intentionally offensive, and racist comments. It seems it's really about what gets your goat, for one of you it's racist hate speech, for the other it's self righteous misogyny. They do both add by giving an example of the 'wrong' side of many debates, and can both be trying to deal with. From what I've seen, lantern has been more egregious about attacking others and actually threatening violence, while Shiny is just the same old annoying, hyper religious 'if you don't believe exactly what I do you're wrong, evil, and going to hell' crap. I'm not sure either really rises to the level of a ban, but both could certainly do with a refresher on what the 'rules' here are (as could most of us at times). Payback said: I guess it's the holier-than-thou, condescending attitude over Lantern's just being wrong... I agree on one item though, they are both ass beef. http://videosift.com/video/Behold-the-mesmerising-power-of-UP-s-buxom-charm#comment-1266585 There are more than a couple others, but that's the one which was my "telephone pole that broke the camel's back".