>> ^Skeeve:

Agreed, for the most part.
He obviously has talent, but to be a great artist one tends to need life experience (often of a darker nature) and that is something he doesn't have.
It should come with time though.
As for why we haven't seen a Mozart, etc. in hundreds of years, maybe its because the great artists of our time aren't composing classical music (which tends to cultivate the misbelief that it is somehow superior). Now, I'm a fan of classical music, but listen to While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Gimme Shelter, or All Along the Watchtower and tell me you don't feel as moved as when listening to Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, or The Marriage of Figaro.
>> ^TheFreak:
Bullshit.
Try listening to Jay Greenbergs Symphony no 5. It's horrible.
It's an unorganized cacophany. One moment it sounds every bit like an action movie score then immediately it swings the other way and you'd think you were listening to the music from a 30's cartoon. There's no rhyme or reason behind any of the sounds you hear, no progression, no building of emotion, no story being told, no subtlety or purpose...just great big sloppy swipes of an oversized lyrical paintbrush.
That 60 Minutes segment describes Jay's early and enduring interest in writing music. I believe that's about the only element of the story that's not pure hyperbole. From listening to his music you can tell that he has obviously learned a great deal at a young age about arranging orchestral music. He has knowledge. What he lacks is everything else necessary to create great music.
Boys his age do one thing with great expertise and skill....masturbate. And that's what "Blue Bird" is doing with his music...masturbating all up in your ear holes.
Jay Greenergs interest and dedication to study clasical music composition, as well as the encouragement he's received, has brought him a long way. The real shame is the uncritical feedback he's getting from the people around him. Without anyone to tell him that his music is ham fisted and clumsy there's every likelyhood that his narcisistic self appraisal will lead him to nothing.
Jay Greenberg has demonstrated an impressive ability to learn how to compose in a classical style. It remains to be seen if he can turn that technical skill into artistic achievement.



Brilliantly said. If you really listen to some music of "recent" times, it can be amazing. Gimme Shelter is a perfect example. Listening for the voice cracks when the lyric is being yelled "rape! murder!".. I could reel off an entire bunch of pink floyd songs that i think are on par with classical music.

I think that the reason there were "more musical genius" around back then is for several reasons - what else was there for an intelligent and interested young person to do then? Let's face it, the most interesting thing around back then was a piano. We have more instruments now, the world is more connected, we can sample each other's music and combine it. There's too many reasons. And you died by the time you were 40, so when else were you gonna do your burst of creativity if not from a young age?

Agreed, for the most part.

He obviously has talent, but to be a great artist one tends to need life experience (often of a darker nature) and that is something he doesn't have.

It should come with time though.

As for why we haven't seen a Mozart, etc. in hundreds of years, maybe its because the great artists of our time aren't composing classical music (which tends to cultivate the misbelief that it is somehow superior). Now, I'm a fan of classical music, but listen to While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Gimme Shelter, or All Along the Watchtower and tell me you don't feel as moved as when listening to Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, or The Marriage of Figaro.
>> ^TheFreak:

Bullshit.
Try listening to Jay Greenbergs Symphony no 5. It's horrible.
It's an unorganized cacophany. One moment it sounds every bit like an action movie score then immediately it swings the other way and you'd think you were listening to the music from a 30's cartoon. There's no rhyme or reason behind any of the sounds you hear, no progression, no building of emotion, no story being told, no subtlety or purpose...just great big sloppy swipes of an oversized lyrical paintbrush.
That 60 Minutes segment describes Jay's early and enduring interest in writing music. I believe that's about the only element of the story that's not pure hyperbole. From listening to his music you can tell that he has obviously learned a great deal at a young age about arranging orchestral music. He has knowledge. What he lacks is everything else necessary to create great music.
Boys his age do one thing with great expertise and skill....masturbate. And that's what "Blue Bird" is doing with his music...masturbating all up in your ear holes.
Jay Greenergs interest and dedication to study clasical music composition, as well as the encouragement he's received, has brought him a long way. The real shame is the uncritical feedback he's getting from the people around him. Without anyone to tell him that his music is ham fisted and clumsy there's every likelyhood that his narcisistic self appraisal will lead him to nothing.
Jay Greenberg has demonstrated an impressive ability to learn how to compose in a classical style. It remains to be seen if he can turn that technical skill into artistic achievement.

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^I never got that either. I didn't find the themes of the ending particularily surprising or out of place at all. Loves me some BSG - glad I finally went through the series.

There was plenty of supernatural hints, but they kept it ambiguous enough that it made sense. The end betrays that completely. The constant involvement of prophecies, Baltar as Jesus was nicely tied up to be a massive hoax, and that would have made sense, instead it doesn't!

Raaaaaage! *smacks head on the table*

>> ^EDD:
>> ^dag:
Makes me miss BSG- but then makes me remember the betrayal of the creators at the ending. Deus ex machina FTL.
(no, this nerd has not forgiven)

dag, if the ending was the first time you noticed there was a teensy bit of supernatural and the 'divine' involved in the story, you might as well have not been watching at all. This nerd is at a loss as to why all the numerous allusions about the constant involvement of a god or gods in human and cylon plights were OK for you and others (gwiz among them, prominently) until the time came for the story to end. Then it's deus ex machina all of a sudden.

>> ^dag:
Makes me miss BSG- but then makes me remember the betrayal of the creators at the ending. Deus ex machina FTL.
(no, this nerd has not forgiven)


dag, if the ending was the first time you noticed there was a teensy bit of supernatural and the 'divine' involved in the story, you might as well have not been watching at all. This nerd is at a loss as to why all the numerous allusions about the constant involvement of a god or gods in human and cylon plights were OK for you and others (gwiz among them, prominently) until the time came for the story to end. Then it's deus ex machina all of a sudden.

all in all it was alright.......his all along the watchtower solo made me wanna vomit though

Though I'm no stranger to rock and roll, I was unable to recognize all the riffs, so I copy/pasted the below list from the Brodie Cumming web site for reference:

1 Stairway To Heaven - Led Zeppelin
2 Smoke on the Water - Deep Purple
3 Sweet Child O' Mine - Guns & Roses
4 Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
5 Layla - Eric Clapton
6 Black Magic Woman - Santana
7 No More Mr. Nice Guy - Alice Cooper
8 Beat It - Michael Jackson
9 Crazy Train - Ozzy Osbourne
10 Dr. Feelgood - Motely Crue
11 Smells Like Teen Spirit - Nirvana
12 Sweet Home Alabama - Lynyrd Skynyrd
13 Cowboys From Hell - Pantera
14 Enter Sandman - Metallica
15 Mister Sandman - Chet Atkins
16 One Step Closer - Linkin Park
17 Back In Black - AC/DC
18 Purple Haze - Jimi Hendrix
19 Black Dog - Led Zeppelin
20 Crazy On You - Heart
21 Immigrant Song - Led Zeppelin
22 Bulls On Parade - Rage Against the Machine
23 Unchained - Van Halen
24 Bad To The Bone - George Thorogood
25 Johnny B. Goode - Chuck Berry
26 Surfing with the Alien - Joe Satriani
27 Money For Nothing - Dire Straits
28 Cult Of Personality - Living Colour
29 Start Me Up - Rolling Stones
30 Sunshine of your Love - Cream
31 Runnin' with the Devil - Van Halen
32 Hells Bells - AC/DC
33 Foxy Lady - Jimi Hendrix
34 Frankenstein - The Edgar Winter Group
35 Aqualung - Jethro Tull
36 In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida - Iron Butterfly
37 Carry On Wayward Son - Kansas
38 (Don't Fear) The Reaper - Blue Oyster Cult
39 Cemetary Gates - Pantera
40 Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love - Van Halen
41 Walk This Way - Aerosmith
42 Tonight 'm Gonna Rock You (Tonight) - Spinal Tap
43 Life in the Fast Lane - Eagles
44 Come As You Are - Nirvana
45 Zero - Smashing Pumpkins
46 Nothin' But A Good Time - Poison
47 Round n Round - Ratt
48 It's Not Love - Dokken
49 Rock and Roll, Hoochie Koo - Rick Derringer
50 Norwegian Wood - Beatles
51 Under The Bridge - Red Hot Chili Peppers
52 Kashmir - Led Zeppelin
53 Train Kept A-Rolling - The Yardbirds
54 Blackbird - Beatles
55 Eye of the Tiger - Survivor
56 All Along the Watchtower - Jimi Hendrix
57 Brown Eyed Girl - Van Morrison
58 Ace Of Spades - Motorhead
59 Breaking The Law - Judas Priest
60 King of the Hill Theme - Brian David Blush/Roger Meade Clyne
61 All Right Now - Free
62 Are You Gonna Go My Way - Lenny Kravitz
63 When I Come Around - Green Day
64 Trilogy Suite Op.5 - Yngwie Malmsteen
65 Born To Run - Bruce Springsteen
66 Pretty Woman - Roy Orbison
67 Day Tripper - Beatles
68 Panama - Van Halen
69 Born To Be Wild - Steppenwolf
70 More Than A Feeling - Boston
71 Cat Scratch Fever - Ted Nugent
72 Bark At The Moon - Ozzy Osbourne
73 Hair Of The Dog - Nazareth
74 No More Tears - Ozzy Osbourne
75 Just A Girl - No Doubt
76 Iron Man - Black Sabbath
77 Sweet Emotion - Aerosmith
78 Pride And Joy - Stevie Ray Vaughn
79 Sharp Dressed Man - ZZ Top
80 Machine Head - Bush
81 Black Or White - Michael Jackson
82 Sultans Of Swing - Dire Straits
83 Hey Joe - Jimi Hendrix
84 Whole Lotta Love - Led Zeppelin
85 10 Years Gone - Led Zeppelin
86 Wild Thing - The Troggs
87 Owner Of A Lonely Heart - Yes
88 Magic Carpet Ride - Steppenwolf
89 I Love Rock N ' Roll - Joan Jett & the Blackhearts
90 Brown Sugar - Rolling Stones
91 La Bamba - Los Lobos
92 China Grove - Doobie Brothers
93 You Really Got Me - Van Halen
94 Wipe Out - The Surfaris
95 House Of The Rising Sun - The Animals
96 Dust In The Wind - Kansas
97 Rhiannon - Fleetwood Mac
98 Susie Q - Creedence Clearwater Revival
99 Voodoo Child - Jimi Hendrix
100 Eruption - Van Halen

1. Tru3 Magic - Mos Def
2. Selfless, Cold and Composed - Ben Folds Five
3. Death of Seasons - AFI
4. All Along the Watchtower - Bob Dylan
5. A Song About a Friend - Atmosphere
6. Save the Blonde - Serart
7. Whorehoppin' (Shit, Goddamn) - Eagles of Death Metal
8. Otsegolation - Static-X
9. Under My Skin - Mudvayne
10. The Master Has Come Back - Damian Marley

Starbuck is an angel. She has been, perceivably, since the very beginning of the show. We cant really know for sure, wether it was real kara up to the eye of juptier, and then an angel, or if it was angel kara all along. Most theories ive read, see Kara as being the one true angel since day dot.

Hera was the best DNA of the last of the colonial technological genus. She represented everything that was good in both the colonials, and the skin-job's (who were ultimately a re-creation of the final 5's race of cylons).

Her role in the film was to impart these beneficial traits onto the rest of humanity on earth, in the hopes that they can break the cycle of humans and non-humans going to war with one another every few thousand years. Instead of just telling humanity to stop building machines of war, without regard to safeguards, and hoping for the best....change humanity, attack the root of the problem. Thus, Hera.

Angels don't always have to be pure and good

The other skinjobs didn't get resurrection, as Tyrol killed Tory, which prevented Anders from unifying the 5 minds of the final 5 to regain the knowledge of resurrection. Presumably a large chunk of the skin jobs died in the last moments of the colony fight (the Cavil's side certainly was wiped out, as his entire fleet was parked at the colony, and the nuclear missiles from the dead raptor pushed its orbit into the event horizon shortly after galactica jumped to earth.)

All along the watchtower wasn't anything meaningful other than as a method for starbuck to plot the correct jump cords. That it was a well known song has no bearing on the storyline at all, just a cool song.

Well, Homo Sapiens should evolve on any planet that's very similar to earth, so its not that much of a shock.

Starbucks rotting viper/corpse may of been an event to trigger her into finding the way back to earth...the REAL earth, and not the final-five's home planet. Either way, the last Starbuck we all saw, post-juptier, was an angel.

It's actually not "All Along the Watchtower," but "Heeding the Call."

>> ^rasch187:
Doesn't really sound anything like the original: http://www.videosift.com/video/Bob-Dylan-All-Along-the
-Watchtower-with-beautiful-drawing or Jimi's version: http://www.videosift.com/video/Hendrix-All-Along-the-Watchtower


Blech... after listening to those, I much prefer McCreary's version.

It's actually not "All Along the Watchtower," but McCreary's original piece ("Heeding the Call") that preceded "All Along the Watchtower" in season 4, episode 10. Bear mentions in his blog that the plan was to initially use "All Along the Watchtower" in this episode ("Someone to Watch Over Me"), however the melody was too simple, so Bear chose this song instead, "pretending" that it was "All Along the Watchtower" (which is the song that awoke the Galactica final four; they actually wouldn't have recognized this song).

Yay run-on-sentences and quotes and confusion!

Doesn't really sound anything like the original: http://www.videosift.com/video/Bob-Dylan-All-Along-the-Watchtower-with-beautiful-drawing or Jimi's version: http://www.videosift.com/video/Hendrix-All-Along-the-Watchtower

boooooooo

Credit where it's due - I was inspired to sift this by mintbbb's http://www.videosift.com/video/Instructional-Video-BSG-All-Along-The-Watchtower-on-Piano

Tags for this video have been changed from 'all along the watchtower, battlestar galactica, starbuck, piano, final five' to 'battlestar galactica, starbuck, piano, final five, bear mccreary' - edited by EDD